Secret of the Mysterious Pass: Have I read "Balance and Harmony" translated by Thomas Cleary (and a LONG question/answer from a long time reader) - thanks!!

On 10/5/2019 at 9:56 PM, WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 said:

Ok So to Drew.
There is only one thing I have understood from reading your posts for almost 10 years now. It is weird to actually read someone for that long but I am ever entertained by your perceptions of interpersonal dynamics. You clearly have a system here and it never seems to change.
One thing I do not understand is your system doesn't seem to have a high enough energy output for me to think you are dead serious about attaining immortality. Some of the highest energy people I remember are two men I met in college. One was the third dan aikido master who flew/drove in to go to a class of mine and the other was a commander in the military. The room at the aikido workshop was hot as a sauna and fully of yang energy. The class was never like that and the only new factor was the Third Dan. His breath was HUGE. He had a pretty large gut and clearly liked to eat. In Balance and Harmony translated by Thomas Cleary it says a big belly isnt dao amongst a hundred other wonderful stories about taosim but that's beside the point. Have you read it? I really don't get why your system is so sensitive with saying you only need a meal here or there and you seem to regulate your eating with regards to your system, like you feel diminished here or there and then you eat. I think you could do better with a higher level output as your goal in your system. Like filling the tank up before it gets empty it just doesn't sound like you have the right intention here.
Either way I love your writing and you're one of the only cultivators on here that seems to get this shit doesn't change you its something that is only an enhancement to your self not a new one.
So here goes. With regards to jing I see it as when the body actually begins breathing automatically after taking over the breathing process with yoga. Your money finally starts paying dividends and there's nothing left to do but sit back and let the LDT expand and contract automatically. You're finally a baby again!
I have a question here, as far as I am concerned Qi is actually emotion generated from returning to the state of a baby and if it's not please correct me. -Jing causes the tingles but Qi is technically something like literally love. I am trying to find a better definition for the primal nature of internal martial arts but basically afterwards emotions are inside of your chest instead of on the outside of your body. I don't know how to explain this without including the main question I have for you: If you build up enough qi is it a permanent thing in the universe? Let's say you feel your qi as some sort of emotion other than love like tranquility. It has rhythm to it, it has quietude, it has reliability. If you actually make a higher emotion consciously through a process akin to alchemy is that emotion a passing thing like buddhist meditation would say it is? Is it something that just passes or is it actually more akin to an object that can be lost and has to be held on to. I lost my jing to some women and I really never got it back until I realized I had lost it. I was busy. It's kind of disgusting breathing with people you are not actually seeing consciously and only talking to on the phone or something like that. I am at a loss for words for how many people it seems I am breathing with and really didn't want to think my jing or qi was something I could actually misplace like an old phone instead of just some passing state that was to be enjoyed in the moment and recognized as the breath in a more sublime state.
Have you ever checked to see if your qi is actually something that isn't actually impermanent and is something one of your pervs might hold on to or something some random chick in a mcdonalds is holding on to because you breathed alchemical breath into them whether on accident or on purpose? If it's not something that is a transient state I am kind of worried how much time I wasted using insight mediation on higher states of being if these are things I can access as long as some sociopath isn't holding on to them in order to hide in society. I see alchemy as an enhancement and growth state of a real human not a past time but if growth is actually gaining more things then jing and qi might actually be non dissipating subtle material pieces of breath gained and are things to be held on to. The last thing I need is my neighbor breathing with me in meditation because they have a piece of my subtle-material breath and I didn't know breath could be cultivated to a non-impermanent state. It also causes a weird phenomena where your subtle-material breath wouldn't just be a state but a memory and how do you prevent the people you experienced the state with from living in those memories. IDK But I literally hate perv's and can not figure out how to get people living in your supposed rape-culture to leave me the f*ck out of it. Sealing the eight openings is useless if people are consciously or unconsciously breathing with your body. Idk how not to feel like the center of some network if the network is living. I need to know if subtle-material breath is a thing or a state. Because I am not giving up my right to breathe that easy if it's not a passing state but a literal thing out there in space. Also I really love your insight into energy transmissions through eyesight and stuff like that. Much charm

Thanks for the questions and sharing. I didn't see your comment before because it was not posted as a direct reply. So you should see this.

 What is the yellow woman? Yellow is the color associated with the center; woman refers to mother. Myriad  beings are born from earth, so earth is the mother of myriad beings, and thus is called the yellow woman. It refers to the true will, which stands in the center of mind and body, heaven and earth, and joins them in harmonious union. -- Li Dao Chun, The Book of Balance and Harmony

Translation with discussion of this book as:! Ph.D. thesis analyzing this book - (pdf link)

https://blog.goldenelixir.com/2013/09/a-graphic-summary-of-neidan.html

In his Zhonghe ji (The Harmony of the Center: An Anthology), Li Daochun (late 13th century) makes an important distinction between two Elixirs, which correspond to different degrees of realization. The first Elixir is the Internal Medicine (neiyao), and the second one is the External Medicine (waiyao). Li Daochun says:

The External Medicine allows you to cure illnesses, and to prolong life and have lasting presence. The Internal Medicine allows you to transcend the world, and to exit from Being and enter Non-Being.

s I mentioned before - it really is based on the frequency of shen. So it is difficult to believe but our spirit as a ghost stores up our yin qi blockages - and then as we use up our yang qi, then we have our ghost leave our body. The ghost floats around disconnected from the Yuan Qi. When there is conception - the use of yang qi from a person is really a lose or connection to a bit of yuan qi - and so ghosts are then attracted to the Yuan Qi that is activated by reproduction of life. This is why qigong master Chunyi Lin says you have to be careful where you have conception for reproduction - because that will decide what kind of ghosts you are attracting to be the new life! Also "ghost pollution" is a real thing - he has said that it takes him several times to clear an area of ghosts.

This vesica holds open a portal into Early Heaven (alchemical code: "true earth") between the "water and fire" spheres that control Later Heaven. From this portal within the cauldron arise neutral clouds of "steam", yuan qi birthing within the body. The internally generated vapors of yuan qi are circulated in various energy channels of the adept's body and in the three dan tiens, dissolving any Later Heaven patterns of false yin or false yang within the adept and replacing them with the harmony of True Yang and True Yin qi. ...

So to heal a ghost then means to send it back into the Yuan Qi which we can think of as light so bright that we lose our sense of Self - so like the opposite of deep dreamless sleep as ignorance. So then the qigong masters rely on sending any yin qi blockages back into the Yuan Qi via the yang qi that is stored up.  So then after he healed me from my years of yin qi healings - then he asked me how I felt and I said I felt, "lighter." It is strange to consider this but our spirits have a "weight" to them but in terms of quantum frequency this makes sense! The frequency is directly proportional to momentum as inverse to wavelength as mass of spacetime.

http://taolainenperinne.blogspot.com/2014/09/early-literary-sources-of-daoist.html
So then you ask - if our experiences are being stored permanently as a kind of mutually shared collective consciousness? So that is a very excellent question and I think I kind of already answered that. So then as I mentioned recently qigong master Yan Xin warned a friend of his that he would get sick from being too close to Yan Xin. Why? Because when Yan Xin does his healings there is some "recovery" time to send the blockages back into the Emptiness. And so this is why the qigong masters have to meditate at least half the night and half the day as well!

Another great quote:

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As for what the eye sees, we call them "forms." ....Taoist texts say, "What has form and what lacks form produce each other."

So Sri Aurobindo recognized this "lag time" as inherent to the spiritual Emptiness - as an inherent paradox that is the SAME as quantum physics! In one of his Yoga Journals (letters) I think - he mentions how this spiritual change to the Emptiness (or whatever term he used - Divine or the Mother) - was inherently a lag time. So as I mentioned before - if someone is going to levitate then they have to train to maintain the Emptiness as anti-gravitational energy while also maintaining the "wisdom" or prajna of levitating without "thinking" about levitation (left brain conceptual thought as the ego). So there is a kind of quantum Zeno Effect going on that stops the "collapse" of the reverse time (negentropy) energy - just as in the laboratory there is a laser strobe effect that is used to maintain the quantum entanglement without collapsing "the wave function." So this is a natural resonance that has to be trained and my guess is that it is different based on the frequency of the blockage being healed!

One of the key points here is also one that I have emphasized - that the Wuji emptiness circle ALREADY has the taiji embedded within it.
So I will transcribe that point.

As for O it is the "two emblems." O is the movement of yang. O is the stillness of yin.

And Chunyi was amazed at the blue light but the energy was so strong that the church walls started to crack. So they had to stop meditating. - what Chunyi calls the Buddha Light - as the blue light. Or Sri Dhyanyogi calls the blue light as the "soul light." So as I have described - for the Golden Light of bilocation or the Yang Shen - then the blue light is a spacetime shift from the future - being absorbed. So it is relativistic quantum physics as biology.

So then my point is that yes there is a 5th dimension of the soul - so that in terms of our ghost being confused and needing healing - there is the Po Soul and Hun Soul. But if you study Neidan as connected to the actual Daoist burial rituals - the body is reburied when it is pure bones. And there is a matter of "feeding" the spirit - and it depends on how strong the Po Soul or Hun Soul is. So there is still an interconnection between the two after death. Or in Tibetan practice the bones are fed to the - the body is eaten by vultures to prevent a possible Zombie situation. So obviously these things are not believed in the WEst but in cultures that develop the astral body then such things as consciously choosing what body to be reborn in or consciously choosing where your spirit travels after death - back into your dead body! - these things are possible.

So in other words when the Shen goes into the Emptiness this actually means the  Shen is going into the Yuan Qi. And the Yuan Qi is developed via the body using the built up Yuan Jing. So then the lower tan tien can be considered a 5th dimensional portal. As the Neidan books state - it does not "Exist" for the normal person. So the normal person just uses up their connection to the Yuan Qi with each time the yang qi and yin qi separates via the normally subconscious reproductive mechanism. So that has to be reversed and that is of course next to impossible as it requires controlling a Shen process that is activated subconsciously - at the speed of light via biophoton signals!!

So then as the qigong master states - he "Embodies the Emptiness" and so then the Emptiness itself creates a new Yuan Shen that is sent out to heal a person and if the person is receptive - meaning they are focused and visualizing healing light - then they can "receive" this new yuan shen (which is really the Original Spirit that is via the Yuan Qi). So in other words the qigong master is literally accessing the Yuan Qi as the 5th dimension and healing our internal GHOSTS - and at the same time the qigong master is also healing GHOSTS that have already left their body!! So in terms of Daoism - some people are already living in their own hell due to their Yuan Qi connection still being stuck in the lower frequency as the true intention of their bodies (whereas others are living in heaven).

But as the qigong master states - the  Emptiness as the Yuan Qi is actually BEYOND the emotion of love -  as humans we get to the Action of Unconditional Love via the emotions. And this is why morality via religion and law is crucial to the training but say the morality and law of yoga is very different (as it was based on the caste system and monasteries). The morality and "law" of the original human culture, that this spiritual training arises from, the San BUshmen, was also very different than even "Eastern" cultures.

So there is a certain trade-off between "psychic" healing and spiritual healing. So as the Neidan books state (and no I didn't read that one yet of Thomas Cleary - that I know of) - so UNLESS the Yang Shen (golden body) is developed then there is NOT true immortality because (as Master Nan, Huai-chin emphasizes as well) - ANY yin shen after death will still "fall" back into a state of ignorance before it re-materializes back into new matter. So that the Emptiness as interdependent origination is a kind of Universal Eternal Recycling process - that has an internal logic and morality - or as de Broglie called it - a Law of Phase Harmony - to it. So then the Yuan Shen can heal us via the Yuan Qi and yet we can still "lose" that healing. And so we have to eternally resonate back into the Emptiness itself. This is why Ramana Maharshi emphasized that ONLY the Emptiness (formless awareness) is real - and NOT the matter (existence) nor even the bliss.

Zhonghe ji 中和集 (Anthology of Central Harmony) 

Ding’an asked: When the Golden Elixir is achieved, can it be seen?

Li Daochun replied: Yes, it can be seen.

Ding’an asked: Does it have a form?

Li Daochun replied: No, it has no form.

Ding’an asked: If it has no form, how can it be seen?

Li Daochun replied: “Golden Elixir” is only a name used out of necessity:

how can it have a form? When I say, “it can be seen,” it cannot be seen with the eyes.

* * *

The Mysterious Barrier is the utterly mysterious and utterly essential mechanism.  Many present-day students get stuck to the physical body. They say that it is between the eyebrows, or in the wheel of the navel, or in the space between the kidneys, or “before the kidneys and behind the navel,” or in the gallbladder, or in the Cinnabar Field. Sometimes they point to the Gate of Birth (the vagina) as “the place where one is generated,” or to the mouth and the nose as the MysteriousFemale. This is all wrong.

If it is only located in the physical body, it is entirely incorrect. However, it cannot be separate from one’s own person and searched outside it. Why does no scripture on the Elixir say where it is found? [because] it is difficult to be expressed by writing or speaking; this is why it is called Mysterious Barrier. Therefore the sages showed it only by the single character zhong 中 (“center”), since only this character elucidates the Mysterious Barrier. This Center it is not the center of “internal and external”; it is not the center of “the four directions and above and below”; and it is not the center that is within.

-- Tr. Pregadio, Fabrizio

So you ask then what is the Emptiness or Yuan Qi? All I can say is that it very much IS a spacetime experience. It is very very wild to EXPERIENCE spacetime itself as a vortex. After I had this experience - then I KNEW for certain that who I really am is NOT my mind NOR my body. So I torn up my journal and my Yan Xin meditation tape and life did get kind of wild after that. haha. So the Yuan Qi does indeed "emanate" from out of the pineal gland. The Yuan Qi can be STORED UP in the lower tan tien. The Yuan Qi is "activated" via the HEART (after the Yang Qi is restored to its original Yuan Jing state of a 16 year old). So then Ramana Maharshi called the right side of the heart - the "secret' pin hole to the formless awareness of the Universe. The Taoist Yoga book also states that the right side of the heart is the yang qi point. We ALL experience this at the point of death. This is why the Tibetan book of the Dead emphasizes death as a moment when our ghost CAN potentially stop reincarnating.

[instructions on the Symptoms of Death, or the First Stage of the Chikhai Bardo: The Primary Clear Light Seen at the Moment of Death]

The first, the setting-face-to-face with the Clear Light, during the Intermediate State of the Moments of Death, is:

Here [some there may be] who have listened much [to religious instructions] yet not recognized; and [some] who, though recognizing, are, nevertheless, weak in familiarity. But all classes of individuals who have received the practical teachings [called] Guides will, if this be applied to them, be set face to face with the fundamental Clear Light; and, without any Intermediate State, they will obtain the Unborn Dharma-Kāya, by the Great Perpendicular Path.

So in terms of Daoism with the great debate with Buddhism - then the eternal debate is can we achieve "immortality" as some kind of "personal" eternal existence? Ramana Maharshi responded that his eternal awareness WAS personal despite it being formless awareness. Why is that? Because he remained ALIVE while he was entering into that state via the right side of his heart! So as the book "Measuring Meditation" points out - he didn't STORE up the Yuan Qi into the lower tan tien. So the body of Ramana Maharshi got sick. So some say he was taking on "bad karma" - well I guess that depends how you define his PERSONAL experience! He had people taking care of him more or less - volunteers or whatever. But his point (and his protege Poonjaji) was that to develop the Yang Shen or bilocation was UNnecessary since it was not eternal. ONLY the impersonal formless awareness was eternal. While Ramana was alive then with each THOUGHT then his spirit then "emptied out" back to the right side of his heart - past death. So he was a kind of walking zombie almost!



There is a debate about this in the excellent Tibetan yogi book "Blazing Splendour" - a top yogi has a zombie working for him - and the debate was whether the zombie had his own intentions or not. I can't remember all the details. I guess the zombie was a former student who had died or something - and the yogi master would then "animate" the zombie to carry his stuff, etc. So in Mahayana Buddhism then the goal is to create the rainbow body and the eternal spirit bliss body - along with the Emptiness "body" as an integrated process - just as in Daoist alchemy. So the problem is that no one can "see" the eternal Emptiness "body" and yet a master can EMBODY the Emptiness - and then the Emptiness will then "empower" others to do things. Then the debate continues - well who is doing anything by themselves anyway? And so Poonjaji titled his memoir, "Nothing Ever Happens."

Nourishing the essence of life : the outer, inner, and secret teachings of Taoism / translated with an introduction by Eva Wong

That would be the text of Wu Hsuan p’ien. It may have been from Tai Hsuan p’ien. Can’t remember.

But anyway, the concept really clicked with me and changed the way that the energy moves in my body during Tai Chi practice. The concept is that the mysterious pass in not a physical location, but rather a place between the thought (or intention) of the mind and the actual activation and movement of the muscles and tendons. There is a spiritual place located between these two things. The text mentions if one can find this place then a person could become “a wizard”. I’m not really interested in being a wizard but presume that means that the place is perceived as spiritual in nature.

In that space between the two is where I have learned that I can insert and focus the energy directed through the “Grand Martial Circulation” (as taught by Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming) to allow the energy to move my body during the form rather than doing it with my mind per se. William. C.C. Chen was the first person I had heard that spoke of letting the energy move you during the form rather than the mind. So using the mysterious pass is the gate for me to move the circulating energy into my form and it has made A LOT of differences in a lot of ways.

My answer to this paradox is that logical inference (which is from Socrates and Ramana Maharshi and the Who Am I? k'oan of Ch'an Buddhism) is also really modeled by nonwestern music theory - as a kind of eternal music that we listen to and also listens to us. So the process of LISTENING is eternal and silence is an eternal harmonization. We can inherently not SEE this as MATTER - and so that means the Golden Body can not be immortal. So yes because it is based on Harmonics - then it does require an eternal "tuning" process as harmonization (or what is called purification) based on frequency/time tuning. And yet this "tuning" is at the same time non-local and non-commutative or what Ramana called the "three in one unity" of reality. Or else if someone takes a very STRONG Serotonin 2a receptor "drug" - then their Shen is STUCK in this automatic light "vortex" that is constantly "re-setting" itself via the quantum Emptiness. So each "thought" (really a projection of external matter reality) is constantly Emptied out back into Shen as light (rainbow light) via an "internal" experience of pure spirit which itself is MEDIATED by the 5th dimension that we can never see. And so Master Nan, Huai-chin says that the OM sound of the Universe is the sound we hear when the Jing is being converted to Shen.

As I delved deeper into the mysterious pass I have discovered that it is not only the gate between intention and movement of the body, but...when the divide between the internal sense of the body and the external world is effectively removed (the blissful sense of oneness with the universe that can be achieved during meditation) THEN this pass can affect change from intention to manifestation in the reality of the outer world through the same pass while the separation is removed.

 The Book of Balance and Harmony, Li Dao-Chun

 There are thirty-six hundred methods in Taoism; people each cling to one and consider it fundamental. Who knows this opening of the mysterious pass is not in the thirty-six hundred methods? When you are calm and stable, careful of attention, the celestial design is always clear, open awareness is unobscured; then you have autonomy in action and can deal with whatever arises.

 https://thefatmonk.wordpress.com/2018/03/24/li-dao-chuns-preface-to-the-dao-de-hui-yuan/