Sunday, January 27, 2019

Really Studying Ramana Maharshi and not just Regurgitating New Age Advaita BS that the "Self is the Light"

 you responded as above with a reference to Ramana Maharshi.

No I responded with a direct QUOTE from Ramana Maharshi - not a "reference to."

"...the body and all other objects are all contained in the brain. The Light is projected on the brain. The impressions in the brain become manifest as the body and the world. Because the ego identifies itself with limitations, the body is considered separate and  the world separate".

So from WHERE is that light "projected"? Give the context of the quote!
https://archive.org/stream/BeAsYouAreTheTeachingsOfSriRamanaMaharshiEditedByDavidGodman131pp/Sri Munagala S. Venkataramiah - Talks With Ramana Maharshi 1 (209p)_djvu.txt

You claim it's a quote from "Talks with Ramana Maharshi" - but it's NOT in there!
When I search the "quote" that you posted - this is what I find:
Again, (in the microcosm) the body and all other objects are all contained in the brain. The light is projected on the brain. The impressions in the brain become manifest as the body and the worlds. Because the ego identifies itself with limitations, the body is considered separate and the world separate.
'Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi', Talk 177
So that is what you are quoting.
Now let's give the full context:
Talk 177. D.: What is mahatl
Ramana Maharshi: The projected light from Absolute Consciousness.
Notice - you are logically claiming that since Ramana says the Light is Projected onto the Brain (as you emphasized - that therefore the formless awareness or Self is the Light. Notice what Ramana states - the light is projected FROM Absolute Consciousness. He does not say that Absolute Consciousness IS the light just as you are agreeing that the Brain is NOT the light and yet the light is projected TO the brain.
Ramana Maharshi:
the Absolute Consciousness projects light, manifests as the ego
Notice this is precisely what i stated above - the light is the spiritual ego.
Ramana Maharshi:
That flame is to be identified with the ego-consciousness.
So again the  light is the spiritual ego.
Ramana Maharshi:
The Self is self-luminous without darkness and light
So again the Self PROJECTS the light but it is NOT the light.
https://archive.org/stream/selfrealization/TalksWithSriRamanaMaharsiVol.1_djvu.txt
People want to see the Self as something new. But it is eternal and remains the same all along. They desire to see it as a blazing light, etc. How can it be so? It is not light, not darkness ( na tejo, na tamah).
So no I am not "referencing" Ramana Maharshi - I am "quoting" him and I give the references to the quotes.
As for nirvikalpa samcidhi i.e., samadhi, of non-differentiation (undifferentiated, supreme, beatific repose), it consists of pure consciousness, which is capable of illumining knowledge or ignorance; it is also beyond light or darkness.
And there's more! Ramana Maharshi:
Once before Goddess Parvati practised austerities for realising the Supreme. She saw some kinds of light. She rejected them because they emanated from the Self, leaving the Self as it was ever before. She determined that they were not supreme. She continued Her austerities and experienced a limitless light. She determined that this also was only a phenomenon and not the Supreme Reality.
and this: Ramana Maharshi: https://archive.org/stream/BeAsYouAreTheTeachingsOfSriRamanaMaharshiEditedByDavidGodman131pp/Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi - Self Enquiry (22p)_djvu.txt
supreme Brahman which shines in all bodies as interior to the light in the form ‘I’ is the Self-ether (or knowledge- ether): that alone is the absolute Reality.
That's the Yuan Qi.

Ramana Maharshi:

Just as the elemental ether within the flame of a lamp is known to fill without any difference and without any limit both the inside and the outside of the flame, so also the knowledge-ether that is within the Self-light in the heart, fills without any difference and without any limit both the inside and the outside of that Self-light. This is what is referred to as Brahman.
Case Closed.

Westernized New Age Advaita repeatedly claims the Self is the Light - no the light is the spiritual ego that emanates from the Self as the Ether or Yuan Qi.

The Daoist alchemists make this same point as well.

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