Let me give you a similar example of a "randomized external" qigong study - there were also two qigong masters involved. But one lacked the Qi to be effective! I'll have to dig it up.... so I'll post it later.
No - as I said - it's the Mayo Clinic book and the chapter on qigong is co-authored by Nisha Manek. I'll search that information to get the link for you. Yeah I know the book exists since it's in the University of Minnesota medical school library - so I've actually looked through the book and read the chapter. It's a medical school textbook. That have a "public" version that is not the textbook.
Yeah he is "internationally certified" as a qigong master - whether that was through what "official" channels in China - I don't know. But I do know that Mt. Qingcheng is an official Daoist meditation training location - as per http://qigongmaster.com
Again your logic here is faulty.
You'd have to give details as to what is proven to not be true.
Actually I took quantum mechanics at Hampshire College - the same class that Lee Smolin took as his first quantum mechanics class. I have also corresponded with quantum physicists like Brian Josephson (Nobel physicist who practices qigong with a colleague at Cambridge). I have also corresponded with Dr. Ruth E. Kastner (quantum physicist philosopher of science) and I've corresponded with quantum physics professor Basil J. Hiley. I have also corresponded with the quantum physicist who corroborated the model of Hameroff and Penrose - he works in Japan but he's from India. So as I mentioned - Dr. Michael Persinger also did quantum consciousness experiments and I corresponded with him. He corroborated the research of Dr. Andrija Puharich, about whom I discussed with Persinger, calling Puharich as "greatly under-appreciated."
Yes just click on my training manual pdf below for evidence science citations.
That's the yin qi - not the Yuan Qi of real qigong training.
Yes it depends on what "kind" of exercise - as my training manual goes into. For example I cite Professor Dr. Shin Lin - who details who he measured the energy voltage levels from say a "stationary bicycle" compared to Tai Chi standing exercise. The Tai Chi causes a 30% INcREASE in energy but there is no increase in energy from stationary bicycle (and very little from weight lifting).
Please do find. I'll find it amusing to compare his stuff with actual TCM understandings and practices about the workings of the body.
So you admit you can't find it? You need me to look stuff up for you online? You have "special needs" research skills? haha. OK.
I said I read it in the University of Minnesota medical library. Therefore it should be in their catalog.
So we'll search Worldcat.org that includes all the academic libraries.
yeah no luck. So I'll go into the University of Minnesota library system. OK you got the book correct - but there are 2 editions - so .... it's in the 2nd edition. A chapter by Nisha Manek and Chunyi Lin. https://primo.lib.umn.edu/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,The Textbook of Complementary and Alternative Medicine&tab=default_tab&search_scope=default_scope&sortby=rank&vid=TWINCITIES&facet=frbrgroupid,include,38265509&offset=0
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Textbook of complementary and alternative medicine
Chun-Su Yuan; Eric J Bieber
Boca Raton : Parthenon Publishing Group 2003
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Textbook of complementary and alternative medicine
Chun-Su Yuan; Eric J Bieber; Brent A Bauer
2nd ed.. Abingdon, Oxon : Informa Healthcare ; Boca Raton, FL : Distributed in North American by Taylor & Francis 2006
Oh I recognized one of the medical co-editors of that textbook.
Mayo Clinic's Dr. Brent Bauer
He has endorsed Spring Forest Qigong
You mean an increase in voltage potential, not "energy".
Is that really what I mean? Why not just check the reference I mentioned? Or is the internet a big scary place with information you might not want to find out about? haha. What did I say his name was? Dr. Shin Lin?
OK I'll click on my own link to find that for you.
http://mindbodylab.bio.uci.edu/downloads/TaiChi_ShinLin-color_dpi500.pdf
There you go!! Now we can quote from it...
http://perceivebelieve.tumblr.com/post/159904989496/the-idiots-guide-to-taoist-alchemy-qigong
So that version we can "cut and paste" - quotes
Dr. Shin Lin pdf on science and tai chi-qigong:
“The higher the conductance, the better the indication that the person is healthy. We measured all 12 meridians, corresponding to the major organs of Chinese traditional medicine. "On the average, the increase in the conductance of these meridians measured at the jing well points would increase by as much as 35 percent after practice [15 minutes of either Tai Chi or qigong]. This is a huge change. And these are very precise measurements.” In contrast, he said, the same people when asked to ride a stationary bicycle for the same amount of time before the test of conductance experienced a very small change in conductance. It was very small, less than five percent, he said. When the participants lifted weights as part of the test, he said, there was almost no change in conductance.
https://institutoflash786.org/2017/04/19/dr-shin-lin-illustrated-how-tai-chi-and-qigong-enhance-the-qi/
Motoyama’s Single Square Voltage Pulse Method to test pre-polarization conductance at Chen’s acupoints.
applying square voltage pulses of 0.5‐3.5 V to the skin revealed that peak currents are considerably higher, and corresponding pre‐polarization resistance values considerably lower, than previously supposed. However, in keeping with previous observations, we confirmed that the skin is an Ohm's Law conductor in its pre‐polarization state and that the pre‐polarization resistance of the skin is resolvable into two components, a localized resistance beneath each electrode and a non‐localized (body core) resistance.
So your claim was just debunked.
Mayo Clinic only provided the Biostatistics for this study. It wasn't a study conducted by them.
It was conducted by an oncologist who worked at the Mayo Clinic. The Mayo Clinic did not "endorse" the study (if anyone can "endorse" a science study - no. It was conducted by an actual scientist, not an "institution." Correct.
So you have a biased control group, since you're getting people who are already engaged on looking for holistic healing, and qigong in particular.
Yes is there any science without bias? A good debate. You can debate - as Dr. Ann Vincent states - these were people who had chronic pain for 5 years and so the results were "especially impressive." That's in the study directly.
2 hours ago, Desmonddf said:
Seeing as how SFQ propels mr. Chuniy's fame, that's a big no no - because of the placebo effect.
Yes the Placebo Effect! I already addressed this when some "undergrads" were trying to kiss up to the materialist scientist to help pay their student fees. haha. Yes Isabelle Stengers go into the Placebo Effect in great detail. The question remains - was it effective or not - as the Western medicine did not achieve the Placebo Effect - then I guess Western medicine failed!!
Yeah meditation is agreeing to want to get healed. You definitely got a big expose there! But this was not "self-practice" - this was receiving external qi healings.
Extremely byased. Also, no "lack of Qi" as you said. On the four first weeks, people were either given Qi Gong or no treatment at all. On the next four (in which Follow Up study should be happening...), those who didn't had any QiGong then received QiGong.
This isn't a double-blind study, or a study with Sham practices. It's... not a study, even?
A "double-blind" study would be impossible when there is no "framework" of formless consciousness that can be ruled out - that's called the "Measurement Problem" in quantum physics.
Except the FOUNDER of the group wasn't present on the EAT group, while he was on the EQT group!
Really? Can you show me where this is stated in the study? I don't remember reading that. Thanks. As far as I know - the same healers that did the external qi healing also did the control sessions. But I am not sure on that. Please let me know if you have any evidence to back up your claim.
Now, I don't know if you're aware of that, but pain, in TCM, is simply a blockage in the flux of Qi. Anything can relieve pain, even just caressing your skin. What solves pain, however, is to correctly identify the source of the pain and erradicate it.I could do a better job than this guy with my needles. And for a "great master" who meditated 49 days being unable to help people better than a simple and common acupuncturist is indicative of him being a fraud.
Brent Bauer @babmd 1 Sep 2016
I have many chronic pain patients who aren't able to exercise - I often have them try tai chi, as gentle way to get moving again#talkpain
nteresting. And between all of your talks to quantum physicists, have you ever produced something? A study, for instance?1 reply 4 retweets 8 likes
Also, can you prove the above, please? I'm finding it quite hard to believe you've actually taken quantum mechanics at Hampshire College without noticing that
I took quantum mechanics from Professor Herbert J. Bernstein. You can watch my quantum playlist on youtube if you're interested in the subject.
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I could do a better job than this guy with my needles. And for a "great master" who meditated 49 days being unable to help people better than a simple and common acupuncturist is indicative of him being a fraud.
Mayo Clinic Dr. Brent Bauer talk - director of integrative medicine
But it depends on the conditions of the study being done.
news video link
Here is an overview of Chunyi's more "free style" healing - not in a study condition.
it isn't the leg shaking that generates piezoelectric force, but the compression of the muscle - which is achieved by simply getting into the stance.
Yes the collagen is 90% vertically aligned and it is mainly the collagen that is piezoelectric. This is called "shaking medicine" also. And it does create a standing wave resonance with the Earth's Schumann resonance.
Also, what the hell you mean by "ionizing the hormones"? Do you intend on converting epinephrine to norepineprine with your leg muscles? Or just plainly make it useless?
No - this is through the vagus nerve. So the adrenaline is from the extreme sympathetic reaction but then the Parasympathetic rebound increase the serotonin and as serotonin increases through more vagus nerve activation then the serotonin converts to oxytocin and melatonin.
Also, how the hell do you intend on Ionizing something with the pitiful amount of electrons released through muscle piezoeletric force... and that's not to take into account that this charge will have to revert to the muscle once the pressure has stoped being exerted?
You would have to study Dr. mae-Wan Ho and others - her research on the qi energy of the meridians. It's from splitting the water via virtual photons. The water is trapped in the collagen - the microtubules. So the electromagnetic field has a larger wavelength than the water that is then split between the protons and electrons. The protons are the yang qi. The electrons are the yin qi. The magnetic moment between them is the yuan qi.
Ying Qi. Not "yin qi". The Yuan Qi, indeed, is of even more yin nature than ying qi - as the Yuan Qi is rooted on the Kidney Qi and Jing, while the Ying Qi is rooted on the blood.
When I said "yin qi" then it is also called "negative vitality" - just word search "negative vitality" in the book Taoist YOga: Alchemy and Immortality - full free archive word searchable. https://archive.org/stream/TaoistYogaAlchemyAndImmortalityLuKuanYCharlesLuk/Taoist Yoga Alchemy and Immortality Lu K’uan Yü (Charles Luk)_djvu.txt
the negative vitality within the generative force.
Yuan Qi isn't related to stances or with breathing exercises. It relates to pre-natal Jing and you'll need quite a heafty amount of Shen and Qi cultivation to get there.
Again I refer you to the quote I already posted above. You'll have to do some remedial reading or I can repost it. As for the "Hefty amount" - that depends on if the qigong master is sending healing energy into you or not - and also your age, etc.
No amount of simple exercise and meditation will get you to the point of dealing with Yuan Qi. Especially since you'll be putting pressure in it once you start doing things like standing on horse stance until your muscles shake.
Yes Full Lotus is best for Yuan Qi - the pressure is relieved through deeper vagus nerve activation. As Master Nan, Huai-chin states - the deeper and longer the full lotus posture then the deeper the orgasmic bliss. You can read his "Tao and Longevity" book - pdf free online - for details.
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