well - thanks again for the thoughtful reply - yes it is fascinating to think that there was no agreement on how many "zang" or "fu" organs there were (so you can maybe respect my lack of knowledge on that subject). As far as what "is" (fill in the blank with a phrase or word) - I defer to music. Every human culture uses the Octave, Perfect Fifth and Perfect Fourth as 1:2:3:4. Now we as Westerners happen to "not" use the actual natural resonance harmonics - and even more so - we look at those numbers and think either: arithmetic or geometry. But as you know, there is another option of "complementary opposites." As I discovered 2:3 as yang and 3:4 is yin - and it is this "concept" that I have deferred to as a secret lineage - going back to the dragon and tiger - or principle that is transcultural, via music and a certain training. Dr. Victor Grauer did the research on this - his book, "'Sounding the Depths" was a free blogbook.
Anyway - yes I'm glad you called me on my "game" of my claim about Red Pine. But anyway I would like to point out that your use of the word "contingent" is a Western loaded term - implying randomness and I would like to point out that randomness is a Western concept based on the Platonic use of logarithmic entropy:
So now I will throw down the Western gauntlet - which is to say that the idea of "contingency" has actually destroyed ecology on Earth - by which I mean life governed by the Moon cycle - because randomness from logarithmic math inherently implies that civilization is "order" while contingency is based on entropy. So for example "random" heat is entropy as "noise" - scrambled information that is unpredictable.
(insert previous discussion of Hundun as "chaos" that I posted on this site).
So anyway other than that - I get your drift - and I would just state that the Sun and MOon are "necessary but not sufficient conditions" of the Dao.
So in other words - let's use Western science as an analogy (I realize probably even most Chinese now consider Western science to be the standard to define reality - despite their religious revival, etc.). So Lee Smolin took his first quantum physics class from the same professor teaching the same class that was my quantum physics class also. Only Lee Smolin went on to get his Ph.D., etc and so he published a book on the evolution of life in the Universe - I think it's called the Self-Evolving Cosmos? hold....Life of the Cosmos..
O.k. so his big point was that spiral galaxies are necessary for life to evolve. Now - consider Mantak Chia - I quote him in my 2000 master's thesis - stating how spirals are some kind of Daoist gestalt....
Epicenters of Justice | Theory | Systems Theory - Scribd
Epicenters of Justice - Free download as PDF File (.pdf), Text File (.txt) or read ... (Yeah so Mantak Chia says how spirals draw in and condense and transform energy.... and so we can use them in meditation.
Anyway - so, my point is that even for the huge universe of trillions and trillions of light-years seen by the Hubble telescope - there is still a "form of the formless."
So even the simple 1:2:3:4 concept has a secret "form of the formless." And so in my master's thesis - I was still imposing this Western logarithmic symmetric math (i.e. fractals, chaos math, etc.) without really having "Unlearned" the Westernization - that is a very deep mind control.
So anyway music as natural harmonics - the latest science has shown that these "small numbers" as harmonic ratios are found in our neurons - as I quote on my blog - and also so then found in other mammals perception system - and even birds prefer natural harmonics, and even mosquitoes use the Perfect Fifth harmonic when mating. haha.
So as Chunyi Lin says "the simplest is the most powerful."
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