The M100 made in Sweden - see the end of this post for more details!
I actually called up the planning manager for on-site waste for the county... and he said that maybe there's one year-round composting toilet but not that he is sure of. He said they did permit one seasonal composting toilet this year. He also said, after we talked for a half hour - "I think that we can get this permitted." By this he meant a year-round composting toilet for a primitive year-round dwelling! hahaha. We agreed that it would be hand-carried water - so the graywater use would be minimum.
He even gave me a local lead.... Basically we agreed on a self-contained system and without a drain pipe - and for year round use it would need to be not a "batch bin" composting toilet but rather the larger continuous composting toilet. Essentially like a vault for a privy (300 gallons) only as an above ground composting system. This happens to be also the oldest designed composting toilet that originated out of Sweden - the Clivus Multrum, Inc.
I really like this design - it is so simple!! And the patent ran out in the early 1970s but no one else has seemed to really copy it well. https://www.clivusmultrum.com/
There is a similar design but it is just as expensive if not more and is not as simple - more high tech, so more prone to error and breakdown... The problem is both of these designs are way too expensive for me.... as it is....
Swedish engineer Rikard Lindstrom developed the first compost toilet in 1939 to prevent pollution in the Baltic Sea near his home. He went on to found Clivus Multrum AB in 1962, and the company soon spread across the Atlantic. Since its incorporation in the U.S. in 1973, Clivus Multrum has manufactured and sold compost toilets and greywater systems in North America and beyond.
Yeah I guess those have an "absorption trench" pipe also!
This copy-cat is the closest copy-cat I can find but their website is down - so they're probably out of business!
The other question is how would you get this shipped across the country? haha.
It looks like this Sun Mar Centrex 2000 is the best model.... less expensive yet big enough and rated for residential use and NSF-approved....Actually NonElectric is better.
yeah $2000 so half the price of the Clivus....
The problem is that this has a drain pipe! Cook County Minnesota clearly states their "year-round composting toilet" can not have a drain pipe.... hahaha
So looks like we're back to Clivus - only again the cost. I wonder if I could get grant money for this?
Low-income fix-up grants (no maximum per county; total of $1.8 million) go to counties for upgrading eligible, noncompliant SSTS: https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/ssts-financial-assistance
So that's kind of ironic - that if I am found to be "noncompliant" THEN I could get a grant? haha.
if you expect your Sun-Mar to have heavy or regular usage, installing the safety drain is recommended.
Ah so you don't HAVE to install the drain! Nice....
dang that's too much power! hahaha. 3.6 amps is way too much....
As the CENTREX 2000 NE does not have a built-in heating element or fan, these specifications only pertain to the optional 12 volt 1.4 watt fan*.
Fan Watts: 1.4
* Installation of a 12 Volt fan is optional, but it is recommended for heavy seasonal or residential use
Yeah I don't know about this Centrex design - seems too complicated and breaks down too much....
So I returned back to the Clivus!
Massachusetts regulations stipulate that the toilet must be designed to contain the waste for at least two years8, and Rhode Island mandates that the toilets meet the NSF standard (NSF-41)9.
https://scott.physics.ucsc.edu/toilet_review/pdf/NEWEA_paper_final_1.pdf
The waste in the first chamber will remain to further compost, and is not emptied until the last chamber is filled. The composting process is then complete, and the resulting odor-free composted material (a soil-like material called “humus”) can be used as a soil conditioner by burying it under 12 inches of soil,
https://ecotechproducts.net/product/ecotech-carousel-composting-toilet-system/
EcoTech Carousel Composting Toilet System
From $2,960.00
The 4-in-1 batch composter for effective processing with easy maintenance
This looks to be the best I think!
The Carousel can be
equipped with either a urine diverting or with a non-diverting seat-riser.
| Weight | 150 lbs |
|---|---|
| Dimensions | 48 × 38 × 38 in |
https://ecotechproducts.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Carousel-Manual.pdf
Problem is there is also leachate to deal with....better to go back to the original design again! The Clivus!
Clivus systems are approved by the National Sanitation Foundation and can accommodate year round or part time use. They require on- site power to operate ventilation, moistening, and liquid removal pump systems. Waste retention time is four years, and waste treatment is accomplished with microbiological activity and Multrum Composting Worms (included).
Cost: Model M1W/M2W (10-15 uses per day)$2,495 – $2,995; bin capacity is 248 US gallons
Wow it's the SAME cost as the other one! awesome.....
Possible Constraints: Frequent problems of liquid accumulation at the lower end ofSo just make sure that's not too much liquid....
the composting vault have been found in Clivus models, bringing considerable
constraints once these liquids may contaminate old material in the bottom that was
already degraded. This is a real problem when taking into account mixed systems
(urine and faeces being collected together). Another considerable constraint is that the
solids often get trapped downwards the lower part of the vault.
Prof. Vogtmann is the consultant of Prince Charles for biological gardening und agriculture. He runs the composting toilet system TerraNova, based on the Clivus Multrum system and developed further by us, since more than fifteen years in his house. There is no flush toilet in the house, so his famous visitors must have used the composting toilet. But this is still a secret...
Wolfgan Berger, 15 June 2009
Clivus® composters function in deserts, at high elevations, at the seashore, in the tropics, in the Arctic, and in urban settings.
Because the Clivus® is "zero-discharge" (retaining its end-products within the system until the choice is made to reuse them),
Although the composting process is optimized at 60ºF and above, as the ambient temperature drops, the process slows but continues. If subjected to periods of freezing, the system holds material until warmer temperatures reactivate decomposer organisms in the pile.
The liquids go through a process of nitrification. The end result is a brownish fluid, pathogen free, and rich in ammonium nitrite and ammonium nitrate, with a faint smell of earth. remove liquid as needed keep standing liquid to no more than 3"
Nutrient-laden water is dispersed into the soil at a depth that is beyond the reach of plant roots. Instead of being taken up and utilized, these nutrients find their way into streams, rivers, lakes and wetlands, causing the proliferation of algae and other aquatic plant life that deplete these waters of the oxygen necessary to support other forms of life. In addition, there is little opportunity for soil organisms to act on the bacteria in the effluent from septic tanks, allowing it also to seep into sensitive lands and waters, potentially jeopardizing public health and damaging fragile ecosystems.
Wow this is only 3 feet tall!!
171 gallons!
3 feet 3 inches tall and wide....
2 1/2 feet across....
It's shipped out of Sweden! I hope this is sold from out of the U.S. but I doubt it...
So the VAT is included - at 25%!!? So that might be the shipping cost to U.S. since U.S. pays no VAT...
https://cdn.abicart.com/shop/11994/art95/91467995-629674-BrochureEN.pdf
https://cdn.abicart.com/shop/11994/art95/91467995-98f202-Installation_Guide_M100___M150.pdf
Clivus Multrum International AB
Box 2090
191 02 Sollentuna
Sweden
Phone: +46 8 501 642 29
Email:
info@clivusmultrum.eu
OK I sent in a question of shipping cost on their contact form.... and if I hear nothing then I will email them. haha. https://www.clivusmultrum.eu/contact.php
Actually this is the site listing a price for selling and shipping....
$2000 EU including the 25% VAT.
Step 7: Garden Hose (Optional)
To remove excess leachate water is connected
garden hose to the faucet at the bottom of the tank.
Step 8: Start of operation
Through the white door, the floor plate is placed in
the tank so that the drainage holes are on the same
side as the hatch.
To prevent the drainage holes from clogging
again a handful of gravel or pebbles is placed so
that the holes are covered.
Through the top hatch, the tank is filled with approx. 150
liters of sawdust. See the image below.
https://cdn.abicart.com/shop/11994/art95/91467995-ee68f6-Presentation_En.pdf
https://www.clivusmultrum.eu/ireland/pdfdocs/Installation%20Guide%20M100%20&%20M150.pdf
wood chips!!
40 gallons of wood chips=2 blue barrels (120 liters=31 gallons) about = 150 liters
Sweden (just that one re-seller) says they can NOT ship to the U.S.!! So now I contacted Ireland... hahaha
Ron de Bruin. Tel: +353 87 7441920. Tel: +353 23 8822798. Email: info@dryloos.ie. Contact. Company. Name. E-mail. Phone Number Message. Send message ...
https://www.agriculture-xprt.com/products/clivus-multrum-model-m100-composting-tanks-266228
Also I contacted this site. So I have three outstanding inquiries still...
64 sq. feet of high density insulation for $165.... So just to insulate the ground and walls would be $500?....
$10K for the yurt... https://yurtmarket.com/listing/15ft-diameter-176-suare-feet/
$11,500K for an insulated winter ready yurt made in Michigan. 16 feet diameter....
248 gallons for the M1W Clivus! $5000 including shipping costs...If I drove out to Massachusetts that would save me $500 in shipping costs...?
So the M100 is 2/3rds as big. We'll see what the cost difference is....
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