Tuesday, July 11, 2023

Professor Jean Bricmont replies to Sabine Hossenfelder's Quantum non-local Bell's Inequality vid

 

Ok here is my response (you may post it):

I am not sure that SH really understands what statistical independence means (although other people have already tried to explain it to her).

To quote S. Goldstein, T. Norsen, D.V. Tausk and N. Zangh\`{\i}:   
Bell's theorem, {\it Scholarpedia} 6(10): 8378 (2011) (which is quoted in my book Making sense of QM):

``if you are performing a drug versus placebo clinical trial, then you have to select some group of patients to get the drug and some group of patients to get the placebo." But for that to work, you have to assume   ``that the method of selection is independent of whatever characteristics those patients might have that might influence how they react to the drug". If, by accident, the people to whom the placebo is given were exactly those that are cured spontaneously, while those to whom the drug is given are so sick that the drug has little effect on them, then of course the study would be biased. And no matter how ``random" the chosen sample is, this will always remain a logical possibility.

This is an example of what is called  statistical independence. But the same sort of assumptions is used throughout science.

Turning to the EPR-Bell experiment, statistical independence means that the properties of the incoming particles (electrons or photons) are independent of the direction in which their spin or polarization will be « measured »; but since the latter can be chosen in an arbitrary way (by random number generators, by the digits of pi, by the letters in the Bible or the analects or by the evenness of the number of stars in a portion of the sky) even when the particles are in flight, denying , statistical independence  means that one assumes incredible correlations between  the properties of the incoming particles and not only the method used to choose the direction in which the spin or polarization will be « measured », but also with the properties of the random number generators, of the digits of pi, of the letters in the Bible or the analects, of the evenness of the number of stars in a portion of the sky or of any other system used to make that choice.

This is the same problem as the one with the placebo mentioned above, only much much bigger.

Some people think that what SH assumes is just universal determinism, à la Laplace. But no! She is assuming very subtle correlations whose existence does not follow from mere determinism. For example, one can say that there is no correlation between the amount of rice produced in China and the number of car accidents in France, in a given time period, even though both are determined (in a deterministic universe) by the initial conditions of the universe and one can multiply such examples ad infinitum.

In fact, if one accepts the correlations that SH assumes, one can « save » any superstition one wants. Take astrology: most of its predictions are never checked, but when they are (taken at random) they usually fail. But one might argue, à la SH, that there is a subtle correlation between the fact of checking an astrological prediction and its veracity, so that all astrological predictions are true except the ones one checks.

In the end, SH assumption is no different from the Duhem-Quine thesis in philosophy of science: any theory can be held true if one is willing to make sufficiently ad hoc assumptions in one’s system.

So there is nothing new here and Bell’s inequality and its verification do prove the existence of actions at a distance, at least according to normal scientific reasoning.

Best,

Jean

Jean Bricmont

8:14 AM (20 minutes ago)


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