Tuesday, November 1, 2022

It's not a real question! Noam Chomsky on consciousness - new talk

 I don't think we need to postulate an inner world, ... all we need is "here is one of my psychological reactions and I can describe it in detail" - the usual name for that is consciousness...it doesn't tell us about...the following Russell's program, the causal structure of the world, the actual world that our best theories tell us about, doesn't conform to my experience....it's telling us only indirectly about the world...Dualism was cast out centuries ago... We assume there are mental processes...there's no way of distinguishing language and thought. They are basically the same thing. If we are not an organism that can't propose questions, propose answer...there's nothing we can say about consciousness.
Noam  Chomsky at the end of his talk... it gets muddled!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Vx5Ze_p8s

I love this answer: "It's not a real question" - how many times is that the appropriate response to fake questions. hahaha.

 Our speech is mainly unconsciousness that comes to our brain way beyond the speed of neural transmission! Thanks Noam Chomsky....

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Chomsky might learn much from a discussion with Dr. Professor Robert Sapolsky, who knows a thing or three about decision-making and human behavior and what precise areas and neurons etc are involved in decision-making and would enlighten Chomsky not a little bit!
Chomsky has worked with Stuart Hameroff who is a Professor in biological science like Sapolsky. I've corresponded with Robert Sapolsky also - he was trained by the author of the "Tangled Wing" book. Just because Chomsky isn't talking about something doesn't mean he doesn't know about it. haha. He mentioned John Wheeler because that is referring to quantum consciousness. A good book on this is "Life on the Edge" on quantum biology - the final chapter is on Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose. It is 2016 but before Hameroff and Penrose were corroborated by Anirban Bandyopadhay. Actually Robert Sapolsky just uses the Copenhagen, "shut up and calculate" model of quantum physics and so Sapolsky doesn't really understand quantum consciousness well. Sapolsky needs to study Hameroff and Penrose with whom Chomsky has already worked with! thanks

 Robert Lombardo

The quintessential empiricist
Not exactly since he goes by Newton that all we can rely on is theories that are detatched from matter due to gravity being pure mathematics as logical deduction. This is very profound since Newton got his gravitational theory directly from Archytas at the origin of the Greek Miracle (promoted by Plato).

 Marja Seeve

This may be off track, but if we want to compare human consciousness to tables we really should instead choose trees as the one to compare with. A tree is a live organism. The table is "dead". My personal view is more on the side of consciousness being a process and emerging from patterns of neurons or little bits going to and fro fast enough. Needed to signal to an organism in order to aid in making optimal survival choices...helps navigate in uncertainty
yes actually Chomsky has worked with the quantum biology research group of Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose. So if you study the microtubule quantum consciousness research it definitely applies to plants also - since plants rely on microtubules. Fascinating stuff. But on a deeper level all matter is made of light and that gets into the noncommutative math that Penrose relies on. Even Hameroff doesn't understand the noncommutative math - and Penrose admits he's not good at the math. Noam told me he doesn't have enough time to study noncommutativity (which is a great joke). thanks
 
 Steven Hines
Chomsky just points to Descartes and Newton. He tells the god/free will/consciousness/AI debaters to just go review their philosophy because the debates have already been expressed and documented for centuries. He mentions a two hundred year hiatus in rejoinders and states there is something to be learned from that.
Actually he says that he agrees with Bertrand Russell that we know a lot about consciousness and it's the best theory we have but we don't know what matter is.

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