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From:
Bill Lyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Remy C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:
Saturday, June 26, 1999 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Your question to the
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(Copyright, 1992-99, William R. Lyne)
Dear Remy, and Lloyd,
it may
be true that Lusar was a German officer during the war, but he was not in the
Luftwaffe, and his information on flying discs was limited on a "need to
know basis", so he really didn't have any information beyond the general
appearances of the ships. Lusar's knowledge and speculations were based on
conventional jet-propulsion technology already generally known to the public by
the time he wrote his books, and the "boundary layer" technology,
which was strictly aerodyne technology, of Prandtl and later Coanda, was also
declassified early on, showing that it had nothing whatsoever to do with REAL
flying disc technology. The secret agencies have declassified NOTHING relating
to true, electro-propulsive flying ship technology, including any historical
origins, theories, or related developments which might lead investigators to the
real technology. I was able to piece the technology together during over 50
years of research, during which I saw electro-propulsive flying saucers up close
(300' maximum distance), in broad daylight, with many witnesses. I was able to
discover Tesla's secret primarily by reference to papers published prior to
1900, supplanted by remarks and tidbits leaked through news paper, book, archive
and magazine material since then. I combined this with numerous information
gleaned from numerous personal contacts and experiences to come up with the
complete picture. I have pieced together the major substance of Tesla's Dynamic
Theory of Gravity, which was completed by Tesla in 1893-94, which was never
published by him, and which is still classified by the U.S. government, because
in the theory lies the secrets of the electro-propulsive technology.
The persons Lusar named, such as
Miethe, Schriever, etc., etc., were primarily aerodyne DESIGNERS, not inventors
of the technology. This was particularly true of the Italian, Belluzo. The
aerodyne projects (based on aerodynamics and jet-propulsion, or in the case of
Habermohl's Flugerad, heliocopter technology combined with rotating
jet-propulsion pods) were for misinformational purposes, because the Germans had
already acquired the far superior electro-propulsive technology of Nikola Tesla,
as early as 1934 insofar as I have been able to determine, and tested the
technology at Los Alamos, New Mexico, in a secret project called "p2",
between 1936-38, under the direction of Wernher von Braun, who had come to New
Mexico on the invitation of the American Rocket Society, the Smithsonian, and
the Simon and Florence Guggenheim foundations, to work with Dr. Robert Goddard,
at his laboratory at Mescalero, New Mexico, with a test range at Eden Valley.
Tesla apparently agreed to work in the German project, after he had offered the
technology to the U.S. government on several occasions, and was treated like a
lunatic. He was led into the project under the idea that it was "for
peace" and "all mankind".
In late 1945, General George
Patton made a deep penetration beyond Russian lines to Peenemunde, to retrieve
or destroy all the electric disc technology, rocket technology, and related
technology, so the Russians wouldn't get it---at least from that source---and
among the things found by Patton, was 200 celestial guidance systems for German
flying discs, which were stored deep underground in a salt cave. Patton was
ordered to destroy the systems, which really made him mad, but he didn't know
that our intelligence and the corporations already had all the duplicate files
on these weapons and developments. The Germans had around two large stashes of
these files, and we got them both. This trip by Patton---in which saucer-hunting
intelligence officers posed as tank commanders---has now been completely purged
from all war histories available to the public, and the entire incident
classified, although I read about it in 1957, and discussed it with my
co-workers in Air Force Intelligence. In 1979, as detailed in my book, PENTAGON
ALIENS (1999)(the third edition of Space Aliens From the Pentagon), I acquired a
Peiltochterkompass ("polar slave compass), which was brought to Sandia
Base, New Mexico, with some of the electro-propulsive German saucers after the
war. This device is one-half of one of the celestial (inertial) guidance systems
which Patton found in the Peenemunde salt cave.
I was personal friends with a
rocket pioneer, Peter van Dresser, who was angry about Goddard's sharing of his
rocket technology with von Braun, and considered him a traitor. Van Dresser's
technology antedates that of von Braun and Goddard. His solid-fueled rockets
outperformed all theirs until the liquid fuel technology was finally improved by
Goddard and later by von Braun at Peenemunde. Van Dresser also knew of the early
project which von Braun participated in at Los Alamos, which I later unearthed
physical evidence of. The fact that von Braun was in New Mexico after Hitler and
Himmler had commissioned him and promoted him to project leader at Peenemunde,
and the chief professor of all rocket research in the Third Reich, has been
carefully hidden from the American people and the world, because of the
embarrassing truth, that Goddard's technology (and van Dresser's mathematical
formula, called "Van Dresser's Constant") were used to fire thousands
of rockets into Belgium and England. The reported performance characteristics
are mere hearsay. Meanwhile, at Peenemunde, where the REAL "flying
disc" project was being carried out, in addition to special projects
nearby, Wernher von Braun and associates were building and testing ships which
were exclusively electrically propelled, based on technology developed and
tested by Nikola Tesla in 1894, et. seq.
The ironic thing in all of this
is that the greatest rocket genius the Germans had, Willi Ley, was the original
invitee to work with Goddard (and to conduct the secret p2 project), but Ley
realized already (in 1934) that there was going to be a war, and he didn't want
to be on the wrong side. Ley was also Germany's greatest microwave expert,
something which made him ideal for the work on the discs. He defected, took out
American citizenship papers in 1937, and married a Russian ballerina in New York
City, named Olga Feldman. He then worked as a science writer until 1944, when
the U.S. government finally hired him under the auspices of the Burke Aircraft
Corporation in Georgia, which then took up residence at College Park, Md., to
begin the first American electro-propulsive flying disc project, which had come
to the government's attention due to allied encounters with the
electro-propulsive discs over Germany. After Ley was lost by Germany, Dr. Heinz
Fischer became the head microwave expert. Fischer was later employed at
Wright-Patterson A.F.B., working on electro-propulsive American versions of the
German discs after the war. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB235/01.pdf
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by DJ Lovell1968Cited by 5 — !supported by the Air Force Office of Scientific Hese2.rch ... Fischer, who had came from. Germany to Wright Field, recruited George Klinger,
Heinz Fischer, who had came from. Germany to Wright Field, recruited George Klinger, also a German, to join him in January 1947 to reconstruct
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by DJ Lovell1968Cited by 5 — Germany to Wright Field, recruited George Klinger, also a German, to join him in January 1947 to reconstruct an operational Kiel IV.
the Kiel IV was intended for use in aircraft to detect other aircraft at nit~ht.
Wow I can't open that pdf? And that's ALL I find on Heinz Fisher! Fascinating!
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD0666031.pdf There it opens!
I
personally viewed the gun-camera film taken of the small, manned, German
electro-propulsive ships which were encountered in the night time B-17 G bombing
raids over the ball bearing factories at Schweinfurt (around 1943 or 1944). The
reel of film I viewed was the original film taken by some of my co-workers,
since my intelligence outfit was the original 8th A.F. group which was in charge
of the intelligence in those raids. Some of my co-workers rode as observers and
some manned cameras, as the gun-crews tried in vain to shoot the
"foo-fighters", which travelled in spirals around the bombers, at
speeds well over 1,000 mph. It was clear that the ships were electro-propulsive,
because of the profuse corona discharges, while the windshields through which
the pilots could be seen, glinted in the sparkling light produced by the corona.
The aerodyne technology is
now being used to conceal the electro-propulsive technology, just as the Nazis
used it during the war. Lusar was under the control of the post-war censors at
the time he published his books, and couldn't have revealed the true technology
even if he'd known about it.
I hope this information is
useful to you and the group in understanding that the technology is not
aerodynamic. The saucer I saw in 1953, performed two absolutely square turns at
over 200 mph and accelerated to perhaps 25,000 mph in three seconds, on a
bee-line for Ft. Bliss, Texas, where von Braun was brought in 1945, as the new
chief of U.S. Army ordnance. The Peenemunde project was under ordnance, and they
considered the flying saucer as ordnance.
The secrecy of this technology
benefits the old-money oligarchs who control the economy and politics of the
world, is a detriment to mankind, and even Edward Teller agrees with me on this
issue.
William R. Lyne
Remy C. wrote:
Dear Lloyd,I let this through to the end secrecy list even though the list is only for
articles and not discussions, because the question widens the debate on this
issue. A-albionic has been around for a long time and I've always enjoyed
your input ever since my Factsheet 5 days. But it will be deleted from the
archives once it has been posted to subscribers.In the future, any article you may have that could benefit the objectives of
the rally, please send them directly to this email address.You can click either the S4 or the Skywatch icons at the bottom of the
www.endsecrecy.com homepage and ask this question of these lists which are
active, even too active, the numbers of daily posts from each of them has
become overwhelming.Remy C.
Subject: Re: German Secret Weapons of World War 2 by Rudolf Lusar Air Force
UFO Footage
From: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]Anyone have any inside information on the following quote from Lusar, an
apparently well informed officer in a Nazi technical unit about German
wartime technological advances:"Flying saucers have been whirling round the world since 1947,
suddenly turning up here and there, soaring in and darting off again at
unprecendented speed with flames encircling the rim of the saucer's disc.
They have been located by radar, pursued by fighters and yet nobody so far
succeeded in establishing the existence of such a "flying saucer" or managed
to ram or shoot one down. . .Experts and collaborators in this work confirm
that the first projects, called "flying discs", were undertaken in 1941.
The designs for these "flying discs" were drawn up by the German experts
Schriever, Habermohl, and Mieth, and the Italian Bellonzo. Habermohl and
Schriever chose a wide-surface ring which rotated round a fixed,
cupola-shaped cockpit. . . Within three minutes they climbed to an
altitute of 12,400 m. and reache a speed of 2,000 km/hr in horizontal
flight(!). It was intended ultimately to achieve speeds of 4,000 km./hr. .
. . existing models were destroyed but the plant in Breslau where Miethe
worked fell into the hands of the Russians who took all the material and
experts to Siberia, where work o these "flying saucers" is being
successfully continued. . .Schriever escaped from Prague in time; Habermohl,
however, is probably in the Soviet Union, as nothing is know of this fate.
The former designer Miethe is in the United States and, as far as is known,
is building "flying saucers" for the United States and Canada at the A. V.
Roe works. . .Years ago, the US Air Force received orders not to fire at
"flying saucers". . . diameters of 16, 42, 45, and 75 m. and speeds of
7,000 km/hr. In 1952, "flying saucers" were definitely established over
Korea and Press reports said they were seen also during the NATO manoeuvres
in Alsace in the Autumn of 1954."German Secret Weapons of the Second World War by Lusar pp 164-166
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https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA800146.pdf Wright-Patterson report on :
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