Wednesday, October 10, 2018

How Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality corroborates the Noncommutative phase claim of Eddie Oshins

Well you would have to be more specific. He's not just talking about the palms but how they are used with the arms.
Louis Kauffman Dirac Dance vid on youtube

So it's the outside of the arm that is yang and so that is the outside of the hand as well. That energy channel does then go around the top of the middle finger and then to the center of the palm where it meets the yin channel. The yin channel is then the inside of the palm and goes up the inside of the arm.
 
For example the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality explains the same meridian channels as the Yellow Emperor book:
 
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Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the (positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists to the middle fingers before reaching the centres of both palms where it stops. 5 Breathe in to lift the (vital) breath from the centres of both palms into the (negative) yin yu channels in the inner sides of both wrists up to the chest where it stops.
 
So then to quote Eddie Oshins - the pdf I gave the link to already:
 
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IN addition there are two palm positions out of the so-called "8 mother palms" that are essentially the same in form, except for the intention of the change. Specifically, when the hand is held as if embracing someone with the palm facing inward toward the body it is called pao chang (embracing palm). When the hand is held in essentially the same manner except having the intention on the outside of the hand as if going to strike someone with the outside/back surface, it is called liao chang (warding-off palm). So we see that what we are essentially coding is the intent of the hand with respect to the rest of oneself.
 
Then he states,
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If  one does the palm up "double covering," with both palms in a symmetric manner with respect to reflection down the medial plane, then one finds that one circumnavigates with the palms a closed ball above the elbows and then with the back of the palms a closed ball below the elbows. In the ancient Su Wen (Conversations with the Yellow Emperor, Veith, 1949), which is where acupuncture originates, one learns that the ancient Chinese codified the body in such a way that all yin organs are on the front of the body, viz. inside of the palm, and all yang organs are on the back of the body, like a turtle, viz., outside palm/back of hand. My claim and original idea has been that this is circumnavigating a T'ai Chi (Yin/Yang) symbol! More recently I have suggested this proximate technique can be used to realize Wing Chun kung-fu's "bong sau/tan sau" movement out of the Kauffman/Oshins "Quaternionic arm" discussed and referenced below in end note 5.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7VLA7wF00A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0sam6ls188

If one performs the double-palm covering symmetrically - considering the inside of the palms to be Yin and the outsides of the palms to be Yang - one circumscribes a T'ai Chi symbol. If one approximately does the same movement, asymmetrically, with the palms making a tiny circle, one effectively is doing Wing Chun's "bong sau/tan sau" movement."

Somebody on thedaobums did not read what I had posted - "carefully" -

Palms up in Bagua was always yang for me. 

 
Eddie Oshins cited the Huang Ti Nei Ching:
https://books.google.com/books?id=LpC2AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA232&lpg=PA232&dq=yellow+emperor+palm+inside+yang&source=bl&ots=lM5tjAGvMx&sig=NrIkx0xnLx-um5jL6OwrfFWgHP0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiokaXK5PzdAhUr1lkKHds8BZgQ6AEwD3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=palm&f=false
 
says the palm of the hand is the lining, the Great Yin, page 210.

http://www.quantumpsychology.com/pdf/Test-ClassicalPsychospinors.pdf
 
He cites the Yellow Emperor - it's on page 210
 
The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine (the Neijing Suwen)
 
What's your source?
 My source is how it feels, and how it was taught to me. 
 So were talking about different things it seems?
 Eddie Oshins, as I quoted above, states that "above the elbow" is YANG. So the point of Noncommutative phase is that it is both yin and yang AT THE SAME TIME. O.K. so the inside of the palm is yin but above the elbow is yang. So holding the elbows in an above position is YANG but the palms are yin. See the OP I made - which is what I stated. So for males the upper body is yang and the lower body is yin.

this posture to me feels very yang. There’s no way you can practice this shape and say it’s not yang 😊

 So for example Oshins realized that the movement of Bagua and Wing Chun utilize the yin-yang channels of the inner and outer sides of the palms and arms. So then he realized this is the same secret as Taiji in action as well. So this means that for the upper body the palms are face up which is the yin organ side of the palm (noncommutative phase to the yang upper body)
 Ok. Thanks for clarifying for me. 😊
 

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