Sunday, August 28, 2022

Westernized "conservative" white reactionaries freaking out about a Minnesota History documentary on youtube

Minnesota: A history of the land documentary at University of Minnesota Bell Museum

Pretty good except for the slant left.
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You mean the Republican party that fought against slavery? Western civilization is beyond simple duality.
No I was merely referring to the reinvention of history to support modern narratives.
 @Curt Wuollet  Support is kind of an ironic word in this context. "In the 1780s John Jacob Astor, founder of the American Fur Company [AFC], started out trading trinkets to Indians for fur, making a 1000% profit. Astor was also Freemason Master of the Holland Lodge No. 8 in New York City. In less than ten years Astor was the second richest man in the U.S. By the 1820s Astor had vertical integration by shipping the goods from Europe that were traded to the Indians, thereby increasing his profit ratio to almost 5,000%. Astor then encouraged Indians to take trade goods on credit so that more profit was made from financing interest payments while also forcing the Indians to continue trading with the AFC to repay the debt. In the 1830s Astor introduced steam boats to increase speed and in 1837 the AFC steamboat St. Peters carried smallpox up the Missouri river, killing more than 17,000 Indians. By the 1840s Astors' wealth was $20 million." George and John Steiner, Business, Government and Society: A Managerial Perspective (McGraw-Hill, 2005), pp. 47-54. “The fur traders had always chafed under the restriction on selling alcohol to Indians since it was one of the most highly desired trade items, and they generally found ways around the rules....The traders discouraged Indians from hunting muskrats and eventually refused to take any more. This change in the fur trade had the duel effect of impoverishing the Indians and reducing their economic importance enough to eliminate AFC [American Fur Company of John Jacob Astor] objections to their removal. Their only interest in the Indians was in collecting accumulated debts, and they expected, and eventually received, payments from the Indians annuity money. Moreover, the interest of individual traders turned to land speculation, which required the Indians' removal and aligned the traders with the squatters.” The Eviction of the Squatters from Fort Snelling, 1998 Eric Ferguson. “In 1836 I visited the fur hunters south of the site of Fort Ridgley, and found them living chiefly on muskrats. They themselves pronounced them unfit to be eaten.” Samuel William Pond, Dakota Life in the Upper Midwest (Minnesota Historical Society Press, 2002), p. 56. An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States: Revisioning American History By: Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas Transformed the World is a 1988 non-fiction book by American Professor Jack Weatherford. All Our Relations: Native Struggles for Land and Life Book — Non-fiction. By Winona LaDuke. 1999. Native American activists provide testimonies to indigenous efforts to resist oppression and fight both cultural and environmental degradation in the face of U.S. colonialism. Jack Weatherford, Native Roots: How the Indians Enriched America (New York: Random House, Inc., 2010). “The treaties of 1851 had promised the Dakota lump sum payments in exchange for land, but eleven years later the Dakota had still not received the funds....Most of the money was given directly to creditors contrary to treaty terms and to federal law.” Carol Chomsky, “U.S.-Dakota War Trials”, Stanford Law Review, November 1990. “If any shall escape extinction, the wretched remnant must be driven beyond our borders,” stated Governor Alexander Ramsey in a special legislative session. “Newspapers across the state called for extermination of the entire Dakota nation.” Major General John Pope wrote to Colonel Sibley that no treaty should be made with the Dakota and “to exterminate them all, if they furnish the least occasion for it.” Major General Pope also wrote to Sibley: “It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux if I have the power to do so and even if it requires a campaign lasting the whole of next year.” Professor Mary Lethert Wingerd, North Country: The Making of Minnesota (University of Minnesota Press, 2010), p. 315. The Stillwater, MN Stillwater Messenger newspaper headline read “DEATH TO THE BARBARIANS is the sentiment of our people.” Stillwater Messenger, November 11, 1862, cited by Carol Chomsky, “U.S.-Dakota War Trials”, Stanford Law Review, November 1990
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 @Voidisyinyang Voidisyinyang  All I'm saying is either don't " sanitize" or "sanitize" both ways. No apologies, people felt the way they did for reasons that made sense to them in the context of their times and acted accordingly. To look through a modern liberal lens is to demean the pioneers and the natives.
 @Curt Wuollet  I got a master's degree in Liberal Studies at the University of Minnesota in 2000. Is that what you mean by "liberal"? Do you consider a "modern liberal lens" to be a twisting around of what native intentions are? For example consider the below: "Among the report’s findings is the fact that, due to reduced deforestation rates, territories owned collectively by Indigenous Peoples have avoided up to 59.7 million metric tons (MtC) of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions each year across Bolivia, Brazil, and Colombia – the equivalent of taking up to 12.6 million vehicles out of circulation for one year. At the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s (IUCN) World Conservation Congress in September 2021, an umbrella group representing more than two million Indigenous Peoples across nine South American nations succeeded in having a resolution passed to protect 80% of the Amazon by 2025. Finally, the UN-backed Science Panel for the Amazon, comprising 200 experts and researchers from the region, has highlighted Indigenous rights as central for the protection of the Amazon. But there is work yet to be done. Next week’s UN Climate Change Conference must recognize and support the more than 476 million Indigenous Peoples living in 90 countries and the vital role they play in protecting our natural resources and helping us to reach climate goals." Indigenous groups fight climate change by getting their 'land back’ l ABC News Populist alliances of ‘cowboys and Indians’ are protecting rural lands Published: May 16, 2019 6.43am EDT 2008 “Indigenous Nations Responses to Climate Change” article in American Indian Culture and Research Journal (AICRJ) Vol. 32, No. 3. 2005 “Unlikely Alliances: Treaty Conflicts and Environmental Cooperation Between Native American and Rural White Communities,” article in American Indian Culture and Research Journal (AICRJ) Vol. 29, No. 4. 2003 “Crandon mine victory won by a historic alliance,” with Debra McNutt in the Eau Claire Leader-Telegram (Nov. 2), Wisconsin State Journal, Ojibwe Akiing, Earth First, and other websites and newspapers. 2002 “Effects of White Racial Advantages in Environmental Alliances,” on Wisconsin Ho-Chunk/farmer alliances against low-level jet flights, bombing range, and Perrier, at Association of American Geographers (AAG) annual conference, Los Angeles; published in Wisconsin Geographer and Udall Foundation Collection of Essays.
 
 
They act like they didn't steal this lands for others that had community and family history on that land already. They make it seem like a fair tail story for Europeans, but not the devastion that the original land owner went through
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Those "original owners" changed regularly. Especially if you are referring to native Americans. And they all changed as people moved in to other people and one way or another pushed out the former inhabitants
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Those original owners you speak of were immigrants themselves from Eastern Europe and Asia. And their own oral history tells of crowding out others. That would be the earlier Europeans who crossed the ice bridge from France and Britain
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actually if you watch part 1 Winona LaDuke points out that for the original people here they names themselves as "Belonging to the Land" not the "land belonging to them." So the concept of ownership was totally different indeed. I took the University of Minnesota class "environmental racism" from Winona LaDuke.
 @E.R. Long  The original natives in South America have their DNA traced to Australian aborigines and they even look like Australian aborigines with African traits - so by "immigrants" you really mean that 7000 generations ago all humans came from a genetic bottleneck of just a few thousand humans that left African from the San Bushmen tribe (still around today). If you really want to study your heritage then focus on the first 90% of our human modern biology from the San Bushmen culture. thanks
 @Voidisyinyang Voidisyinyang  the origins of modern humans are traced from the Middle East, not Africa. Language, mathematics, construction styles, writing, all trace back to a single point of origin in Sumeria.
 @E.R. Long  you're confusing written history of ideograms used for trading agriculture - specifically wheat farming - with modern biological humans as a species. Modern biological humans as a species have been around for about 100,000 years - with the use of symbolic art and technology in Africa. "Powerful categories of evidence for symbolically mediated behaviour, variously described as ‘modern’ or ‘cognitively modern’ human behaviour, are geometric or iconographic representations. After 40,000 years ago such evidence is well documented in much of the Old World and is widely considered as typifying ‘modern human culture,’ but earlier evidence is rare. In Africa, this includes two deliberately engraved ochre pieces from c. 75,000 year old levels at Blombos Cave, Western Cape, South Africa and the greater than 55,000 year old incised ostrich egg shell from the Diepkloof shelter, located in the same province. Here we report on thirteen additional pieces of incised ochre recovered from c. 75,000–100,000 year old levels at Blombos Cave. These finds, taken together with other engraved objects reported from other southern African sites, suggest that symbolic intent and tradition were present in this region at an earlier date than previously thought." Journal of Human Evolution Volume 57, Issue 1, July 2009, Pages 27-47 Journal of Human Evolution Engraved ochres from the Middle Stone Age levels at Blombos Cave, South Africa Christopher S.Henshilwood Francescod'Erricoc IanWatts a Institute for Human Evolution, University of the Witwatersrand, Private Bag 3, Wits 2050, Johannesburg, South Africa b Institute for Archaeology, History, Culture and Religion, University of Bergen, Postbox 7805, 5020, Bergen, Norway c CNRS-UMR 5199 PACEA, University of Bordeaux, Avenue des Facultés, 33405 Talence, France

Was this before or after slavery
Why does it matter? Shockingly enough not everything in American history revolves around slavery the way modern day likes to make it seem.
Cocoa in the U.S. today is still grown by child slaves and it's bought by Cargill the world's largest private corporation, based on Minnesota. Cargill: Our taxes, global destruction Minnetonka-based Cargill is often noted as the world’s largest private corporation, with reported annual sales of over $50 billion and operations at any given time in an average of 70 countries. The “Lake Office” of Cargill is a 63-room replica of a French chateau; the chairman’s office is part of what was once the chateau’s master-bedroom suite. A family empire, the Cargills and the MacMillans control about 85 percent of the stock. Not only the largest grain trader in the world, with over 20 percent of the market, Cargill dominates another 12 sectors, including destructive speculative finance, according to “Invisible Giant: Cargill and its Transnational Strategies,” by Brewster Kneen Taking advantage of the capitalist speculative collapse of 1873, Cargill quickly bought up grain elevators. After vast cooperation with the state-sponsored railroad robber barons, central grain terminals averaged extremely high annual returns on investments of 30 to 40 percent between 1883 and 1889. Cargill hired a Chase Bank vice president to secretly help the corporation through the Depression, writes Dan Morgan in “Merchants of Grain.” “There are only a few processing firms,” and “these firms receive a disproportionate share of the economic benefits from the food system,” states William D. Heffernan, professor of rural sociology at the University of Missouri. Details of Cargill’s price manipulations at the expense of farmers worldwide was documented in the classic study, “Food First: Beyond the Myth of Scarcity” by Frances Moore Lappe and Joseph Collins. They report that Cargill has had a history of receiving elite government price information that should be told to U.S. farmers. That secrecy, along with tax-subsidized market control, enables Cargill to buy from U.S. farmers at extremely low prices and then sell abroad to nations pressured under the same destructive elite corporate control. See the Institute for Food and Development Policy’s Web Site Between 1985 and 1992, the legal entity called Cargill received $800.4 million in tax subsidies via the Export Enhancement Program, a continuation of the infamous “Food for Peace” policy, writes Kneen. Promoted by Hubert H. Humphrey and instituted as PL 480, food became a Cold War tool, i.e. “for Peace.” If we can induce people to “become dependent on us for food,” then “what is a more powerful weapon than food and fiber?” Humphrey declared, according to “Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies” by Noam Chomsky. Actually, most of the nation recipients of tax-subsidized Cargill food dumping were, and are, net exporters of food already — policies imposed by colonial trading patterns. The food (for Peace) has been bought cheaply by neocolonial regimes, and then sold at a huge discount on the local market — in Somalia, for example, at one-sixth of the local prices. Many examples of these misguided policies can be found in “Betraying the National Interest: How US Foreign AID Threatens Global Security by Undermining the Political and Economic Stability of the Third World,” by Frances Moore Lappe, et al. Cargill’s undercutting wipes out the local farmers’ self-reliance, while the revenues (going to the elite) are tied to required purchases of U.S. weapons, writes Chomsky, citing “The Soft War” by Tom Barry, 1988. But the main beneficiary of “Food for Peace” has been Cargill. Keen writes, “From 1954 to 1963, just for storing and transporting P.L. 480 commodities, the heavily subsidized giant Cargill made $1 billion.” Indian lawyer N.J. Nanjundaswamy reports that a Cargill motto is, “One who controls the seed, controls the farmer, and one who controls the food trade, controls the nation.” Yudof’s recently stated support of federal foreign policy Title XII is another public promotion of the University of Minnesota-Cargill partnership’s raiding of sustainable agricultural cultures. Cargill is such a damaging threat that in Dec. 1992, 500,000 peasants marched against corporate-controlled trade, and the irate farmers ransacked Cargill’s operations. Fifty people were arrested at the partially completed — and subsequently destroyed — seed-processing plant in Bellary, India. In 1996, 1,000 Indian farmers gathered at Cargill’s office and destroyed Cargill’s records. Cargill has been doing bio-piracy, stealing traditional products. For instance, it used Basmati, a rice from India, as its trade name, and the company continues to be one of the main promoters of corporate-driven intellectual property rights. The U.S. Trade Act, Special 301 Clause, allows the United States to take unilateral action against any country that does not open its market to U.S. corporations. The United States, for example, has threatened to use trade sanctions against Thailand for its attempt to protect biodiversity. A bill that has been before parliament in India and promoted by Cargill, “takes away all the farmers’ rights, which they have enjoyed for generations — they will no longer be able to produce new varieties of seed or trade seed amongst themselves,” writes Nanjundaswamy. The research center, Rural Advancement Foundation International, found that “fifteen African states, among them some of the poorest countries in the world, are under pressure to sign away the right of more than 20 million small-holder farmers to save and exchange crop seed. The decision to abandon Africa’s 12,000-year tradition of seed-saving will be finalized at a meeting in the Central African Republic. The 15 governments have been told to adopt draconian intellectual property legislation for plant varieties in order to conform to a provision in the World Trade Organization.” Cargill, with extensive funding from the U.S. Agency for International Development, is also destroying the world’s largest wetland — the Pantanal, in South America — in order to dredge a channel that’s designed for convoys of up to 16 soybean- and soymeal-carrying barges, according to the Institute on Food and Development Policy. Cargill has been on the Council of Economic Priorities’ list of worst environmental offenders. Mother Jones magazine and Earth Island Journal report that Cargill is responsible for 2,000 OSHA violations, a 40,000-gallon spill of phosphoric solution into Florida’s Alafia River, poor air pollution compliance and record-high releases of toxic waste. With help from the Program on Corporations, Law and Democracy, states have recently begun to respond to citizen pressure and revoke corporate charters. The assets of Cargill should be revoked, allowing the citizens of the United States to give farmers the benefits of fair trade instead of Cargill’s secretive policy of tax-subsidized global destruction.
 
 
well that's war. many indians still live today. they were allowed to live because europeans honor the adversary at the conclusion of war. we won they lost. would they have treated us better had they had the upper hand?
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 @jeffrey pierce  You have a tepid imagination, and a meager sense of compassion.
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Although my ancestors did not come to America in time to participate in the removal of the American Indians, it still hurts reading how they were treated. Someday I hope to restore some of this land to the way it should be. I'm on my last year of high school so I have a lot of time to do just that.
 @jeffrey pierce  there is no "upper hand" against Mother Nature. Western modern civilization has created today's ecological crisis. Our war was against ourselves as much as anybody else. The "biological annihilation" will continue to accelerate. The "war" never ended - it is just getting worse. You can be in denial about the war but you can't claim to be the winner. Sorry to burst your bubble. Or I mean to burst the Two-Headed Depleted Uranium Baby bubble.
 
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What this documentary really fails to tell us is that the greatest force in the change of the Minnesota landscape was not human but glacial!
yes unless you ignore the mainstream science that has documented our modern human civilization has created the fastest rate of CO2 equivalent emissions in the history of life on Earth. The arctic is about to go ice free for the first time in 3 million years. Nuclear apocalypse threatens to wipe out the ozone layer that protects Earth from UV radiation. Certainly the "anthropocene Era" of science is too optimistic since biological annhilation is accelerating on to geological destruction as well.
 
 

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One of the ways that “land” was allocated was by brutal raids and war against other clans and tribes.
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That’s total b.s. you have no clue.
The fur trade on the East Coast of North America started by the French in the early 1600s and the fur trade relied on alcohol and guns to cause the native indigenous people to attack each other. But the main force was the huge masses of white colonists flooding into Minnesota - especially the German land colonialists settling right onto Dakota reservation land. For example the Treaty of 1805 by Pike was not a real treaty - he was not an official treaty maker. He just had 60 kegs of booze and he convinced two Native males to sign on some paper.

Wow, your comment started out intelligent enough. Also, you didn't have one great, great grandfather. You had EIGHT of them!
 @Anthony  yeah I never really thought of how I had eight "great grandparents" - I know that one set were born in Sweden. Another set including someone 1/4 Irish. A third set was English. The Irish set was actually Palatine Germans who moved to Ireland and then Canada. The Palatine Germans arrived from Switzerland in the 1400s or 1500s. Just 7000 generations ago we were all direct cousins since humans are a genetic bottleneck from around 10,000 people who left Africa after the Mt. Toba Supervolcano explosion 70,000 years ago. So Ironically even though the "number" of ancestors doubles with each generation it then collapses back. Through our Mitochondrial DNA all modern biological humans can be traced back to ONE female in Africa.
 
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 @Anthony  yeah I never really thought of how I had eight "great grandparents" - I know that one set were born in Sweden. Another set including someone 1/4 Irish. A third set was English. The Irish set was actually Palatine Germans who moved to Ireland and then Canada. The Palatine Germans arrived from Switzerland in the 1400s or 1500s. Just 7000 generations ago we were all direct cousins since humans are a genetic bottleneck from around 10,000 people who left Africa after the Mt. Toba Supervolcano explosion 70,000 years ago. So Ironically even though the "number" of ancestors doubles with each generation it then collapses back. Through our Mitochondrial DNA all modern biological humans can be traced back to ONE female in Africa.
This area "never was a Wilderness..." "The minute the Ice Melted there were people here..." sounds so Scientific!
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that's based on the geography work of William Cronon - see his book "Changes in the Land" for details. "Changes in the Land: Indians, Colonists and the Ecology of New England" is a 1983 nonfiction book by historian William Cronon. So Cronon argued that the concept of wilderness needs to be changed. This has been corroborated by the big agricultural ancient cities now discovered in the Amazon rainforest. Essentially there was more like "gardening" in the rainforest. But that kind of polyculture farming respected the diversity of ecology much better than huge Monsanto Cargill soybean "farms."
 
 
Why doesnt Winona ever talk about how the Indians stole land and slaves from each other? This is what humans have done, ever since we began walking upright we were warring and taking land from each other. Better hunting spots. Better water spots. I get so sick and tired of the Disney version of who the North American Indians are. The Indians living in Minnesota today were not even there 300 years ago its been a constant rotation of peoples for thousands of years.
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Try studying Professor Brian Ferguson so you can realize your claim is not correct. "However, once war takes place, it tends to spread, explains historical anthropologist R. Brian Ferguson, who has spent more than 40 years researching the origins of war. Ferguson, a professor of anthropology at Rutgers University, notes that war is not the same thing as interpersonal violence or homicide. War implies organised, armed conflict and killing sanctioned by society and carried out by members of one group against members of another group. Ferguson argues that current evidence suggests that war was not always present but began as a result of societal changes—with evidence of war’s origins appearing at widely varying timestamps in different locations around the world. He estimates that the earliest signs of war appear between 10,000 B.C., or 12,000 years ago. “But in some areas of the world you don’t see any signs of war develop until much more recently,” he says, noting that in both the U.S. Southwest and Great Plains there is no evidence of war until around 2,000 years ago. Ferguson wrote an article in the Scientific American in 2018 titled, “War Is Not Part of Human Nature,” in which he details his take on war. In the article, he summarizes the viewpoints of two anthropological camps, dubbed hawks and doves by late anthropologist Keith Otterbein. The hawks argue that war is an evolved predisposition in humans dating back to when they had a common ancestor with chimpanzees. Doves, meanwhile, argue that war has only emerged in recent millennia, motivated by changing social conditions. In the article Ferguson writes: “Humans, they argue [doves], have an obvious capacity to engage in warfare, but their brains are not hardwired to identify and kill outsiders involved in collective conflicts. Lethal group attacks, according to these arguments, emerged only when hunter-gatherer societies grew in size and complexity and later with the birth of agriculture. Archaeology, supplemented by observations of contemporary hunter-gatherer cultures, allows us to identify the times and, to some degree, the social circumstances that led to the origins and intensification of warfare.” Ferguson has studied the anthropological and archeological records throughout ancient, and sometimes into more modern, human history. He says there is a lack of evidence of war or large-scale violence, in many places around the world throughout various periods of history. He has spent four decades researching and historically contextualizing the various origin points of war around the world. He has also contextualized incidents of group violence in humanity’s closest ape cousins, chimpanzees. He argues that war is not innate, evolutionary nor inevitable behavior for humans."
 
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 @Curt Wuollet  "On Hitler's heartfelt gratitude to the British and especially Americans for inspiring his concept of concentration camps, and how he "often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination - by starvation and uneven combat - of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity," see J. Toland, Adolf Hitler (Garden City, NY 1976), 702. For the venerable ancestry of the term, "final solution" in the nineteenth-century history of the American military, and more specifically in the "final solution of the Indian problem" devised by General William T. Sherman, see M. Fellman, Citizen Sherman (New York 1995), J.A. Emison, Lincoln uber alles (Gretna, LA 2009) 21, 67, 269-70.
 
  The US was imperialist early on - in fact there's been well-documented evidence the reason Wall Street investors caused the US military invasion of the Philippines is because the elite were scared Germany would do so otherwise. And then the Wall street elite went on to fund the rise of the Nazis via the Prescott Bush Wall STreet bank front for Thyssen (the main financier of the Nazis). Both GM and Ford were making Nazi automobiles - so to say the US as a "nation" was fighting the Nazis is a bit too simplistic - there were over 1200 Nazis brought back to the U.S. for Operation Paperclip plus thousands of Nazis enabled to live in South America for the Operation Condor setting up of fascist client states of the U.S. Empire.
"in the mccormack dickstein report a shipping company called hamburg america line was accused of providing free passage to germany to american journalists willing to write favorable copy on hitler's rise to power the company is also alleged to have brought nazis spies and pro fascist sympathizers into america john buchanan has studied this later section of the report and has discovered that one of the company's managers came from a very famous family the thing that surprised me most was to discover in the documents that this company hamburg america lines had in fact been managed on the u.s side at the executive level by prescott bush as part of a web of nazi business interests that were all seized in late 1942 under the trading with the enemy act by the u s congress and prescott bush is the grandfather of the sitting president of the united states and of course prescott bush is also the father of another u.s president and not mentioned but very much involved..."
"captain dreschel was testifying in 1934 that every boat of the hamburg american line north german lloyd has a nazi leader on board and congressman dickstein continues on the subject wait a minute i will clear things up for you if you want to the national socialist party has a program to carry out in germany and captain dreschel answers yes sir and dixie asks and any members of your crew whether it is 75 or 60 and so forth who are members of the national socialist party are sworn to observe and carry out the mandates of the national socialist party and captain dreschel answers that is right and dickstein continues these men have a nazi leader on that boat and dreschel answers that is right and dickstein says he is put there not as a figurehead he is put there for a certain purpose that is true is it not and captain drexel answers yes sir and dickstein asks that purpose is to carry out the dictates in the mandates and the orders of the party and captain dreschel answers yes sir so by 1934 every boat in the hamburg american line north german lloyd combination was stocked with nazis and had a nazi leader on every boat as..."
see "W.O.L. Pt 2 Ch 1 - Prescott S. Bush" on the "Carnage On Ice" youtube channel for details. 
 
  Both General Motors and Ford insist that they bear little or no responsibility for the operations of their German subsidiaries, which controlled 70 percent of the German car market at the outbreak of war in 1939 and rapidly retooled themselves to become suppliers of war materiel to the German army.

 That's the mind controlled brown-No$er answer, "everyone did it so it's ok before the war." Not true. see the youtube channel Carnage On ice vid title: W.O.L. Pt 2 Ch 1 - Prescott S. Bush: walker and prescott bush would become involved but by the time of the seizures of the nazi businesses in the united states related to harriman and walker and bush for the hamburg american lines w.a harriman no longer had controlling ownership in the company but did have major stock interests and were managing the us side of things from the federal register on september 5th 1942 we can see vesting order number 126 seizing the assets of the hamburg american line slash north german lloyd under the trading with the enemy act and note here they say all property of any nature whatsoever owned or controlled by and they name a couple of the german executives as by this point the german-owned company but they also add and or any and all others and this is the category that harriman walker and bush would fall under and we see here it was first executed august 28 1942 which matches the date on the letter sent between the alien property custodian offices in 1945 that tell us that the hamburg american line was the first of the bush walker harriman managed businesses the next page talks about how the united american line of delaware is a wholly owned subsidiary of hamburg american

line and its capital assets therefore was one of the vested assets in this case now to better understand it all we have to go back to the beginning which is just after the first world war in june..see the youtube vid: Anti-Communism: Amerikkka Protecting Nazis. Often obscured journalist/professor Christopher Simpson speaks to the U.S. Empire's willingness to protect and hire Nazis following the end of WWII. As recorded Eddie Becker, Christopher Simpson is the author of “Blowback: America’s Recruitment of Nazis and Its Effects on the Cold War,” an indictment of the C.I.A.’s recruitment of Nazis as operatives during the Cold War. The C.I.A. searched for these Nazis because of their experience running puppet governments in Eastern Europe during World War II and their violent antagonism against leftists (mostly communists).
Prescott Bush controlled another asset of the holding company, the Hamburg-Amerika shipping line, which was utilized by the Nazi regime to transport its agents in and out of North America. Another subsidiary of the Harriman group, Harriman International Co., struck a deal with Hitler’s regime in 1933 to coordinate German exports to the US market.
In October 1942, 10 months after it had entered the Second World War, the US government seized UBC and several other companies in which the Harrimans and Prescott Bush had interests. In addition to Bush and Roland Harriman, three Nazi executives were named in the order issued by Washington to take over the bank.
An investigation carried out in 1945 revealed that the bank run by Prescott Bush was linked to the German Steel Trust run by Thyssen and Flick, one of the defendants at Nuremberg. This gigantic industrial firm produced fully half the steel and more than a third of the explosives, not to mention other strategic materials, used by the German military machine during the war years.
On October 28, 1942, the US government confiscated the assets of two firms that served as fronts for the Nazi regime—the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, both controlled by UBC. A month later, it seized Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation (SAC), directed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Walker. The seizure order, issued under the Trading with the Enemy Act, described Silesian-American as a “US holding company with German and Polish subsidiaries” that controlled large and valuable coal and zinc mines in Silesia, Poland and Germany. It added that, since September 1939 (when Hitler unleashed the Second World War) these properties had been under the control of the Nazi regime, which had utilized them to further its war effort.
the Bush family received $1.5 million from its interest in UBC, when the bank was finally liquidated in 1951 ($15 million at today's value). “That’s where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the Third Reich,” Loftus said in a recent speech.
In his book Trading with the Enemy: The Nazi American Money Plot, former New York Times reporter Charles Higham noted that the US government sought to cover up the role played by Prescott Bush and many other leading US financiers and industrialists in supporting Hitler. Moreover, Higham wrote, the government believed “their trial and imprisonment would have made it impossible for the corporate boards to help the American war effort.” (Trading with the Enemy—The Nazi American Money Plot 1933-1949, New York, 1983, p. xvii).

 

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