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Nicholas Gisin debunks Real Numbers as deterministic classical harmonic Oscillators: Gisin proves classical physics is a RELIGION

 Indeterminate and the Law of the Excluded Middle is NOT valid (on Real Numbers)

Is classical chaos math really deterministic or is it due to ASSUMING A GOD'S EYE VIEW FROM THE END OF TIME....

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Real numbers are effectively saying you are getting infinite information in zero time

Hence one can't cut the continuum into larger and smaller than 1/2 (as is done in the origin of logarithmic music theory!) We have a classical measurement problem - not just a quantum measurement problem.

Real numbers are as random as a quantum random number generator.

De Broglie-Bohmian quantum mechanics bypasses randomness by stating that distance does not really exist.

Space, in physics, is a finite volume and therefore as evolving in time, it is finite information. The precision location that real numbers as bits become finite is NOT determined by technology but rather by quantum theory. Therefore Real Numbers ARE the HIDDEN VARIABLES of classical mechanics - just as they are in quantum physics based on noncommutative phase logic. A real number contains infinitely number "bits."

 

For the EXACT same reason that you accept real numbers in classical physics then you should accept Bohmian particles (non-local) in quantum mechanics

 https://emqm17.org/presentations/Nicolas-Gisin/

Starting from the hypothesis that a finite volume of space can’t hold more than a finite amount of information, I argue that the mathematical real numbers are physically unreal. Indeed, almost all so-called real numbers contain an infinite amount of information, like, e.g., the answers to all questions one may formulate in any human language. Moreover, all real numbers, except a countable subset, are incomputable in the sense that their digits are random. Hence, a better name for them is random numbers. This name illustrates the fact that determinism can’t be based on the use of “real” numbers to represent initial conditions. Hence, Newtonian classical mechanics is not deterministic, contrary to standard claims and beliefs, except for stable systems like harmonic oscillators. However, the use of the mathematical real numbers is undoubtedly very useful as an idealization to allow for, e.g., differential equations. But one should not make the confusion of believing that this idealization implies that nature herself is deterministic: A deterministic theoretical model of physics doesn’t imply that nature is deterministic.

Consequently, in most physical dynamical systems, i.e. in chaotic systems, the initial conditions are random: after some determined initial digits, the next digits are undetermined (they don’t have any ontological existence). Pretty soon, these random digits drive the system. This raises the question as to when the undetermined digits get actualized, i.e. get determined. This is the classical analog of the well-known quantum measurement problem. I argue that such a problem arises in all non-deterministic models.

The non-determinism of classical physics, as well as the non-determinism of quantum physics, imply that time really passes (arXiv:1602.01497). Einstein identified time with classical clocks, i.e. with classical harmonic oscillators. This, as well as the quantum unitary evolution, leads to what I call the boring time, the time when nothing truly new happens, the time when things merely are, time when what matters is being, i.e. Parmenides-time. But intrinsic indeterminism implies that there is another time, at least as real as Parmenides boring time, which I like to call creative time, or Heraclitus-time, when what matters is change.

 https://www.socialtrendsinstitute.org/news/time-really-passes-science-can-t-deny-that

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.01497v1.pdf 

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/spooky-action-at-a-distance/516201/ 

 “Technically, this experiment is truly impressive,” said Nicolas Gisin, a quantum physicist at the University of Geneva who has studied this loophole around entanglement.

 

What Einstein May Have Gotten Wrong

The Swiss physicist Nicolas Gisin is using an old form of math to rethink the very basics of what we know about time.

 Real Numbers are Chaotic! I discuss this in my 2012 book! haha.

Over the past year, the Swiss physicist Nicolas Gisin has published four papers that attempt to dispel the fog surrounding time in physics. As Gisin sees it, the problem all along has been mathematical. Gisin argues that time in general and the time we call the present are easily expressed in a century-old mathematical language called “intuitionist mathematics,” which rejects the existence of numbers with infinitely many digits. When intuitionist math is used to describe the evolution of physical systems, it makes clear, according to Gisin, that “time really passes and new information is created.” Moreover, with this formalism, the strict determinism implied by Einstein’s equations gives way to a quantum-like unpredictability. If numbers are finite and limited in their precision, then nature itself is inherently imprecise, and thus unpredictable.

 "Indeterminism in Physics and Intuitionistic Mathematics" Nicolas Gisin (UNIGE)

 But information is physical. Modern research shows that it requires energy and occupies space. Any volume of space is known to have a finite information capacity (with the densest possible information storage happening inside black holes). The universe’s initial conditions would, Gisin realized, require far too much information crammed into too little space. “A real number with infinite digits can’t be physically relevant,” he said. The block universe, which implicitly assumes the existence of infinite information, must fall apart.

 So essentially the physical space defined as "modular momentum" is noncommutative so that when you reverse the time then you get a different location since in quantum physics the energy of mass is directly proportional to frequency (not to wavelength as amplitude). So therefore the "real" numbers of classical physics that assume mass as a squaring or square root value are actually a hidden variable of indeterminacy in science. So by using matrix math then the position and momentum can be separated in the equations as "weak" variables before any "collapse" of the Schroedinger wave function. 

Whereas using the wave function already assumes the real numbers as the foundation of reality via the continuum for calculus. So using matrices as discrete algebra enables time to be reversed to create a "middle" point as the location of the particle without disturbing the frequency of the particle as squared to give the amplitude as momentum mass. That's the concept of the "weak measurement" experiments. 

But empirically they were already demonstrated in the Aharonov-Bohm Effect - such that you can have a "zero" electromagnetic field but you can change the phase based on reverse time of the field. This is the same as changing the spin as the quantum "potential" - and the result is that it changes the energy value based on frequency alone. This concept is actually demonstrated in music theory but was covered over to create logarithmic math as real numbers - way back at the foundation of Western science with Archytas and Eudoxus introducing geometric "magnitude" into music ratios. 

So in fact if a Perfect Fifth is 2/3 as C to F subharmonic then it is noncommutative to 3/2 as C to G overtone harmonic even though both intervals are heard as a Perfect Fifth in relation to the C as the "1" value. So therefore to introduce "zero" into mathematics as a closed physical space this noncommutative phase had to be covered up and ignored. Alain Connes goes into this in his lecture on noncommutative geometry from music theory. 

I'm now listening to Nicholas Gisin, a quantum engineer, also discussing the problem of real numbers, in terms of time-frequency uncertainty in quantum physics.

 

 Probably introduces real numbers but for the Schroedinger Equation the Taylor Series does not converge and therefore time and frequency are inherently noncommutative. So each bit is zero and one randomly but with probability they are 1/2 and 1/2 as the square root of real numbers.

So using real numbers or transcendental numbers as series closed set in calculus -  you can "jump" around in time without having computing the previous steps. But in probability as the number increases then the probability of termination of the series decreases exponentially and therefore the sequence could be infinite but this is indeterminate - neither true nor false.

This is what I discuss in my 2012 book - from the reverse of the Golden Rule of probability.

And so the Law of the Excluded Middle does not hold. This is also exactly what Buddhism argues:

No Non-constructive Existence Proofs are allowed and so the future is open.

it's possible to have macroquantum coherence. So the "change" does not happen because the cat on its own terms exists in a worm hole that is quantum entangled with the future and the past. People external to the worm hole would see the cat frozen and not be able to tell if it is breathing or if it is dead - just as due to relativity time slows down as a particle speeds up to the speed of light. De Broglie realized that because time is inverse to frequency the quantum energy as frequency is ALSO increasing as time as wavelength increases by time slowing down from relativity. Since frequency and time are inversely proportional then de Broglie deduced there HAS to be a "second" time from the future at the SAME time as the past. This "second" time is then reverse time of the future that is "guiding" the past - as a quantum coherence. De Broglie considered this his greatest discovery - what he called the Law of Phase Harmony - and it's not known by most people who even study de Broglie.

But the recent analysis of EPR=ER has corroborated de Broglie's claim. So this is also called "negentropy" in quantum biology. It is proven by the Aharonov-Bohm Effect and Aharonov "weak measurement" experiments done by several scientists. For example a plant as being alive actually exists in a quantum nonlocal state when it absorbs photons and then converts the photons into electron energy. Similarly in humans this is considered to occur as a quantum coherence that is nonlocal based on similar molecules that the plant uses - via tryptophan type molecules called "pi resonance." So consider the hexagon structure of benzene - it is then slightly deformed in the geometry so that a "half phase" occurs or "half spin" - and so the electron and proton are resonating via the 5th dimension as quantum spin that is non-local. In humans this occurs through the microtubules - same as in cats.

So we can not SEE the 5th dimension but as negentropy it is the same nonlocal source of energy that powers the sun. So this is also what powers life just as Erwin Schroedinger proposed. A good book on this is "Life on the Edge" by JohnJoe McFadden - so it won a science award in 2016. So in other words the quantum nonlocality is RESONATING as a self-AMPLIFYING energy such that the nonlocal phase of the future and past overlapping creates a subharmonic and overtone "beating" or resonance at the same time. So this means that the future and past are happening at the SAME time at the speed of light in the 5th dimension - from the perspective of the cat itself (or any life from its own perspective). Think of deep dreamless sleep - are you aware that spacetime exists? Do you perceive anything? Yet you are clearly still alive in that state of deep dreamless sleep. But the perception actually goes into higher frequency that then creates a strongly amplified subharmonic to restore the power of the body (this is now proven as increased cerebrospinal fluid to the brain to clear out the free radicals during deep dreamless sleep).

Are you a biological machine that just 'turns on" when you wake up? Is your consciousness as Self defined by your perceptions? What if you never woke up during deep dreamless sleep? Does that mean you were never alive? So Penrose and Hameroff have proposed a relativistic quantum biology model of reality such that our true consciousness is not defined by our perceptions but rather by this quantum non-local coherence whereby the future and past overlap. This is inherently indeterminate to science since it can not be directly observed except after the fact. But it can still be logically inferred to exist as a real thing - this enables quantum telepathy or quantum teleportation to be engineered as nonlocal correlations. The Chinese have already tested this with satellites and the US are developing a similar quantum teleportation signal system between earth and satellites - as designed by my QM professor Herbert J. Bernstein.

Slow-wave sleep, for example, is the stage when neuronal synchrony is highest.Thus, it has been proposed that synchrony in certain frequency ranges, for example, in the gamma frequency range, constitutes consciousness. Here we have the problem that temporal information would not be preserved in such a scheme. How would one be conscious of a particular pattern of auditory clicks, for example, if that temporal pattern of input was obscured by a different consciousness-related frequency? Another notion put forward is that consciousness emerges as a function of complexity as groups of neurons fire together in various patterns. This idea is laudable, but arguably incomplete:a necessary element is missing. A microtubule basis of memory and consciousness is a departure from current doctrine in neuroscience, but it may have fewer conceptual flaws than widely perceived.

https://www.quantumconsciousness.org/sites/default/files/Hameroff%20pp208_245%20%20CaseForConnctionJackTuszynskiEd.pdf

Dreaming or REM (rapid eye movement) sleep in which cortical activation alternates with phases of deep sleep is both one of the most singular phases of conscious activity in which experiential feedback appears to be accentuated at the expense of external input, generating episodic subjective realities or “worlds within”. The nature and function of dreaming consciousness and its wealth of detail remain obscure although the experiences them-selves are intense, sometimes in full sumptuous color vision as evidenced in lucid dreaming [61]. There is some indication that these two phases are complementary and involve reciprocal communication between the hippocampus and the cortex in consolidating long-term sequential memories ( [90, 86, 73]),but the subjective consequences, and the need for them to occur subjectively as well, as functionally remain enigmatic. Accounts of precognitive dreaming [30] challenge our very notions of causality.