Basil J. Hiley is trying to explain something and the lady keeps interrupting him to impose her own concepts. She tries to impose "geometry" and he says - well no because it's a "dynamical geometry" - then she tries to impose something else and he says "no it's more subtle than that." You can tell that Professor Basil J. Hiley at this point is upset that his talk got hijacked due to her impositions of the wrong meaning.
"Do we agree that everything in time is everything happening right now at one moment."
"It's more subtle than that."
As Professor Hiley explains in his lecture - "now is not a localized now" - so it's a noncommutative process as now.
So Professor Basil J. Hiley explained that the quantum potential is the inherent general relativistic unification with the quantum through noncommutative maths of the future and past overlapping as an algebraic process. The algebra is implicate but Basil J. Hiley has projected it into a coordinate number system but doesn't allow you to see it all at one moment.
"You can either talk about the position and the time and you can't say anything about the momentum and the energy but yes you can, but it's a different explicit order that comes out of the Bohm theory. I put together what Dirac was doing with what David Bohm was doing."
Professor Hiley actually gets dejected and gives up halfway through his talk? "So you want me to shut up, alright." Tragic.
There's hundreds of papers trying to prove that [Bohm's theory] contradicts experimental physics. If you go into the algebraic approach...In fact Einstein did when he was giving up his Hilbert Space formalism...this paper in 1931 [Dirac] was about the algebraic structure and he proves that the Schroedinger picture was only unique up to a unitary transformation....It's equivalent to Schroedringer. It's equivalent to Heisenberg...the algebra gives up the implicate order."
The role of geometric and dynamical phases in the Dirac–Bohm picture
preserves its norm (length) and the inner product between vectors. This is mathematically represented by a matrix called a unitary matrix. A unitary transformation is considered unitary because when you multiply the transformation matrix by its conjugate transpose, the result is the identity matrix....If the product yields the identity matrix, then the transformation is indeed unitary. It is important to note that unitary transformations are reversible,
Basil J. Hiley:
If you come to the noncommutative structure then you find that it [the mechanical world] is only a projection of that.
So Basil J. Hiley got cut off with 40 minutes left - and because he was interrupted so much he was not able to finish his talk - and he complained that their communication was breaking down...and they went to Q & A.
We get snapshots and one snap shot fits with another snap shot and so we get a broader picture of the implicate order [of David Bohm's model]
What is the Quantum Potential? It's the expression added to the classical Hamiltonian to get quantum mechanics......
I've got something exciting to tell you guys.
But she did not let him talk!!
a vector potential appears to have been added to the Schrödinger momentum operator.
So Hiley cites Jordan... A comparison of Pascual Jordan to von Neumann
However there is no limit to the number of functions, we could choose to generate alternative pictures and so many equivalent pictures are therefore possible as pointed out by Jordan.
Its use in the original Bohm paper [2] became, unfortunately, embroiled in the ‘hidden variable’ argument, which soon turned into a philosophical debate. The fact that Bohm was merely providing a mathematical alternative that was completely equivalent to the Schrödinger picture was often overlooked.
I was hoping the talk should have provided an answer....
Using mass for momentum! It's the same as getting up out of a chair without using your hands to push yourself. "using weight for momentum." But the weight in this case is the future overlapping back into the past as an inherent nonlocal potential force.
If you take the hydrogen atom, it's ground state energy is all quantum potential energy. It's very large and therefore it's not strictly speaking small energy.
by information potential - that word information actually meant
"to form from within."
So "active information" is a different type of information than the standard science definition of information.
It's Delta R over R, the amplitude.... the amplitude of the wave function and you'd think the amplitude would not be something dynamical because [normally] it's just how intense it is.
That is what gives the quantum potential....the idea of the pilot wave...
Here the vector potential ...can arise in the case of an uncharged particle
A new form of energy....
In the 1880s Clifford algebra has a way for accounting for that nonlocality - and Basil J. Hiley is still trying to get to the bottom of it...
The connection with geometric aspects of quantum phenomena allows us to introduce Clifford algebras in a natural way so that it is possible to extend the Dirac–Bohm approach to include spin and relativity, offering new geometric insights into quantum phenomena. In particular the bi-vector aspects allow us to introduce the Gromov non-squeezing theorem in a new way, ultimately offering the possibility of relating our work to the non-commutative geometry of M-theory.
The non-commutativity of the phase space leads naturally to the Clifford or geometric algebra involving both the orthogonal and symplectic symmetries. However the emphasis on ‘geometry’ must be replaced by an emphasis on a more general notion of ‘phoronomy’, as was hinted at in Einstein’s paper “Über den Äther” [72]. It is the interplay of the orthogonal with the symplectic that creates a kind of ‘dynamical geometry’ for which the word ‘phoronometry’ seems more appropriate [73].
Phoronomy is also why someone doing a Ph.D. in Music theory was also studying Basil J. Hiley. That is why Professor Hiley investigated the term Phoronomy!!
Professor Hiley says he only made this connection four months previous to his talk in 2022.
Loved your paper on Music. I have had some discussions with a Finnish guy, Timo Laiho who wrote a thesis “Perception, Time and Music Analysis” in 2013.
Basil.
So this is the person Basil J. Hiley is referring to who used the concept of phoronomy. Basil J. Hiley emailed it to me in 2023 as his last email to me.
These principles form both the theoretical groundwork and the structural basis of the analytical tools of AGM that consist of three interlocked concepts: interval-time complexes (intiCs), musical vectors (muVs), and milieu-territorial structures. Although the basic research related to AGM reflects a variety of different scientific/philosophic disciplines (i.e. poststructuralist philosophy, linguistics, music analysis, semiotics, modern physics etc.), the theoretical background relies much on the structural aspects of the quantum physicist David Bohm s theory of implicate order. In this sense the present AGM, referring to concrete, analytic-generative examples of musical organization, offers an interpretative account of Bohm s influential theory.
https://emqm17.org/poster-session/timo-laiho/
Wow he gave a presentation.
It is somewhat related to the ‘phoronomic’
interpretation of a curve in mathematics, stressing the act of tracing rather than
looking at the curve as a static depiction or an artefact
Musical imagery between sensory processing and ideomotor simulation
the phoronomic approach to listening are rather complex. I only mention a musical analogue …
The philosophical implications of the phoronomic approach to listening are
rather complex.
The hallmark of the phoronomic approach is its unfolding through time.
Quoting Cambridge Professor Mine Dogantan Dack
Hi Professor Mine Dogantan-Dack! I was led to your work via your quote: "The hallmark of the phoronomic approach is its unfolding through time." I had corresponded with quantum physics Professor Basil J. Hiley who had someone doing a Ph.D. in music follow his work based on the same concept of phoronomy. https://cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/1100 I had an article published recently on music theory and Professor Hiley's concepts. My article gets into music with the emphasize that you also point out - the biomechanical and affective meaning inherent to the gestures with playing the instrument. Specifically I discuss the recent discovery that Philolaus flipped his musical lyre around to create the commmutative geometry music theory that was the foundation for Western science.
thanks for your work!
drew hempel
Basil J. Hiley gives a follow-up lecture
No Quantum Jumps!! No "collapse" of the wave function!!
Time Invariance is broken - and so is the "complex spacetime" that Penrose has been looking for - the cubic time that is noncommutative.
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