Tuesday, November 10, 2020

These things seem to tell us there's a lot more going on in biology which you simply can't explain purely classically: Sir Roger Penrose

 Now we know photosynthesis involved entanglements, essentially quantum mechanically effects; somethings about bird navigation is it? I think it is...sensitivity to magnetic fields or something.These things do seem to tell us that there's a lot more going on in biology which you simply can't explain purely classically...
You see I'm saying you've got to have enough quantum mechanics that it is coherent across many neurons, in a way which allows sufficient displacement of mass, according to the scheme that I tried to develop...

at 41 minutes in - 

As he says quantum coherent he rotates his hands at slightly different rates - in circles - to demonstrate the coherence is actually from noncommutative phase as asymmetric time.

 in superposition there's enough mass displacement then it goes over into classical alternatives. But this is frowned upon by most quantum mechanics people, 'cuz they think that quantum mechanics has to hold invariably at all levels. But all experiments to date have only been at a level where you don't probe this area.

 New Science of Consciousness talks 

including Sir Roger Penrose (post Nobel Laureate!)

the vid got uploaded twice? 

On Godel's Incompleteness Theorem:

 it made quite clear that although you couldn't prove them using some particular system, the mere fact that you trusted that system as something you could derive reliable conclusions from, that mere belief in the system, enabled you to transcend that system: and you could find statements that had to be true on the basis of your trust in the system. So I found that very striking.

part 1 

This understanding that seems to transform any particular system, there most be something else going on in the brain that is not of a computational character. And I probably learned from Dirac's course on quantum mechanics, there again is a bit of irony, 'cuz I remember the first lecture I went to....I think he broke the piece of chalk in two, he was talking about superpositions in quantum mechanics....my mind wandered at that point and I remember him saying something about energy or something. But I couldn't understand why this was an explanation of anything. I thought it must be because my mind had wandered that I had missed the point...But it worried me ever since.

I think I did formulate the idea that there was a big gap in our understanding of the world in quantum mechanics, specifically. And that there probably was some link between that and what must be going on in our conscious thinking. 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Pirani

Pirani's efforts were based on his view that the public belief that "science will solve the world's problems" is a delusion because funding for research comes from the top levels of the social hierarchy, which controls the direction of scientific progress for its own purposes.[10]

  Sir Roger Penrose was in America shortly after the JFK assassination, in Austin Texas...

It's such a beautiful idea. Can that be extended in some way to the whole of space time? And this was nagging me you see. And I wanted something where, see if you complexify you don't splitting into two halves, you see...The Riemann Sphere, you complexify the circle, you've got the Riemann Sphere. That's the real part splits into two halves, and the positive and negative frequencies. Or I think it's negative and positive, but never mind. So I kept thinking, what about Minkowski space, what if you complexify it doesn't split anything into two halves...
You can take a light ray and push it into the complex...the twisting of the lines around these nested toroids...I translated it into two-component spinors...and it splits into two halves, the right handed ones and the left-handed ones and this was the analog of splitting of the Riemann Sphere into two halves....

 



 

















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