So Bohm relied on music as his analogy to explain his Implicit Order but Professor Hiley in his latest talk and paper - in his talk he states he does not know whether he has dissolved Bohmian physics or not, and Bohm's model had a lot of "Mickey Mouse" to it. He states how Bohm had not been able to develop his math for his model.
So Professor Hiley's big point is that the noncommutative algebra is not a wave and it is before phase space - so it is pre-space as pure time - and also it provides the math for Bohm's quantum potential to explain also relativity and spin.
So then I remember this same paradox emphasized by another physicist - that the "spin" as the 4th factor or variable - can not be a wave.
I will find the quote.
Bohm's Approach and Individuality, 2016, Oxford University Press: Basil J. Hiley:
"There we see that if one of the particles enters the field of a Stern-Gerlach magnet, it is then deflected either "up" or "down" depending on the positions of each particle at the time just before the particle enters the magnetic field. The particle in this field has its trajectory changed, while the other particle continues in a straight line. At the same time both spin components become well defined. This is a surprising result, but clearly shows that the individual parts cannot be thought of as isolated "little spinning spheres," a point that was emphasized by Weyl (1931)."So we truly can not visualize the non-locality.
Mike Towler on the Quantum Force: indeed
"spin must be a property of the wave field and not of the particles."So as Hiley emphasizes, this "wave field" can not be visualized as a wave.
Time Operator in Relativistic Quantum Mechanics, Sina Khorasani, 2017
Next, an exact self-adjoint 4 × 4 relativistic time operator for spin-1/2 particles is found and the time eigenstates for the non-relativistic case are obtained and discussed. Results confirm the quantum mechanical speculation that particles can indeed occupy negative energy levels with vanishingly small but non-zero probablity, contrary to the general expectation from classical physics. Hence, Wolfgang Pauli's objection regarding the existence of a self-adjoint time operator is fully resolved.http://ecoechoinvasives.blogspot.com/2018/01/summarizing-de-broglie-pilot-wave-law.html
I'm quote from that link.
This is what i was looking for!
Dr. Massimiliano Sassoli de Bianchi
This macroscopic quantum behavior is crucially dependent on the spin of the considered entity. However, the spin is not a property that can be fit well into the wave-particle explanation, it is neither a wave nor a particle,So we can not visualize the Void but as spin it is still noncommutative (yin-yang) as pure Number-time harmonics, as pure listening. Fascinating.
The above constitutes a very simple no-go argument showing that it is impossible to directly associate a quantum spin eigenstate (and a fortiori, of course, a superposition of spin eigenstates) with an angular momentum vector having a specific direction in space, not even if instead of a single direction we accept to associate to it an entire collection of indeterminate vectors lying on a cone. This means that not only a spin eigenstate cannot be understood as an entity belonging to our three-dimensional spatial theater, it neither can be understood as a higher dimensional classical-like entity characterized by multiple directions, that would simply “cast a three-dimensional shadow” onto it (in a sort of view à la Edwin A. Abbott) (Fig. 2).
Do spins have directions?
I remember first learning of spin back in 1990 or 91 and being truly amazed.
Paragon House is the Moonies. I wonder if those books are still in print."Each particle...has its own spin, and all these spins vibrate together in the whole-number proportions of the overtone scale. This then is the prime model of mind and spirit."
The World Is Sound, p. 125, citing Jean E. Charon: L'Esprit, cet inconnu (Paris: A. Michael, 1977). See also Jean E. Charon, The Unknown Spirit (London : Coventure, 1983); Jean E. Charon, Complex Relativity: Unifying all four physical interactions (New York: Paragon House Publishers, 1988); and Jean E. Charon, The Real and the Imaginary: A new approach to physics (New York: Paragon House Publishers, 1987).
If the electric charge through gauge invariance creates an electromagnetic field, wouldn't this isotopic spin also generate a field? And that is the motivation...
C.N. Yang - a Nobel physicist!
So at zero energy you can still have a spin field.
Zitterbewegung has historical connections to the subquantal interpretations and Louis de Broglie's "French school" of quantum mechanics....So while the gravitational field component may be small the field effect due to noncommutative coordinates may be appreciable. For this reason the zitterbewegung motion can be tied to spacetime without a mini-black hole source for the field.
The wave function of the massless particle oscillates back and forth as if in a potential well....The gauge-like field induces the fermionic spin to the massless field, so the electron observed is a quasi-particle, similar to spin density fields....The relativistic quantum field theoretic perspective on zitterbewegung suggests that the motion is connected with the virtual production of particles in the vacuum state....The particle then really has no proper time, but emerges from this interaction with noncommutative geometry.Lawrence B. Crowell, Time Paradox, Zitterbewegung and Noncommutative Geometry, 2010, Prespacetime Journal
So then in Bohm and Hiley, 1988, it's stated that infinite and zero are relative, without reaching the limit and hence no real zero rest frame! So they are noncommutative to each other.Penrose had considered early on that spin might be more fundamental than space-time and invented spinor and twistor algebras for a combinatorial description of space-time geometry (13, 14). Bohm and Hiley generalized the twistor idea to Clifford algebra as a possible basis for describing Bohm’s implicit order (22). Recently various spin foams have been formulated as extensions to Penrose’s spin networks for the purpose of constructing a consistent theory of quantum gravity (23, 24). In Hestenes’ geometric picture, the zitterbewegung associated with the spin of the Dirac electron is qualitatively shown to be responsible for all known quantum effects of said electron and the imagery number i in the Dirac equation is said to be due to electronic spin (25). Second, in Bohmian mechanics the quantum potential is responsible for quantum effects (26). Salesi and Recami has recently shown that said potential is a pure consequence of “internal motion” associated with spin evidencing that the quantum behavior is a direct consequence of the fundamental existence of spin (27).
Jean Charon, pdf, from 1987 on qi energy and physics
Electrically charged particles have memory.
Neutral particles are matter.
All have spirit.
But Qi as the "back reaction" as reverse time of matter back onto memory as mind.
Based on his theory of complex relativity, Jean E. Charon, theoretical physicist at the University of Paris, explained that electrons and photons themselves are microcosms equipped with mechanisms of memory and thinking. The theory of complex relativity, in which complex numbers are used, refers to an extension of the theory of relativity. A complex number consists of a real number and an imagi-nary number. In physics, natural phenomena are usually described within a four dimensional world of time and space using real numbers. In the theory of relativity as well, phenomena are described in the four dimensional world of time and space using real numbers. Yet, in the theory of complex relativity, the four dimensional world of time and space in imaginary numbers is added. Hence, phenomena are described in an eight dimensional world of time and space. It is possible for us to observe the real world of time and space, since it has a definite extension. On the contrary, the imaginary world of time and space is a “closed world” without extension; therefore, it is impossible to observe this world from the real world. However, Charon says that this imaginary world actually exists in the same way that our consciousness does. Thus, the universe consists of the real, material existence and the imaginary, spiritual existence, and we are beings that can perceive these two existences.
First I describe the eonic theory, published as the 'Complex Relativity Theory' (1977) by the physicist Jean E. Charon.[1] He tried to answer the questions mentioned above with original and daring concepts. According to this theory there exist very small time-spaces, enclosed universes. These small universes are in abundance present in all matter and also free floating in space. Charon calls these universes 'eons', to stress the fact that they are stable structures: they were born in the first split second of the big bang and since then they participate in our real world as stable structures, all around us an within ourselves. From a mathematical viewpoint time-spaces can be seen as spherical and that applies to eons as well as to our 'gravitational space', our real living space. Two of these spherical spaces may tough each other at an immaterial and point-like touching point, regardless their size. Here comes the crucial basis of the Complex Relativity: the time-space of every eon touches our large gravitational space on one immaterial
point (in the picture below P) and this touching point is very well known to us: we call it an electron. So, one can see the eon as the 'inside' or 'backside' of the electron. Or the other way around, we can also see the electron as the 'projection' or 'shadow' of the eon in our visible real world, our gravitational space. We call the 'inside' of an eon transcendent, because it's a different time-space, invisible and unapproachable for scientific measuremets. The electron can appear as a wave as well (psi wave). Eons are not the same as black holes, although Charon stated that eons “bend space in the same way as black holes do”.
To begin with, this can explain some strange and contradicting properties of the electron: a point-like particle, but with some mass and an electrical charge. Mass and charge originate from the 'inside': the little time-space 'behind' the electron. There exist as much eons as there are electrons, because every electron is the touching point, projection of shadow of an eon. To oversee this vast number of little time-spaces, hidden in our real world, Charon uses an additional dimension: the imaginary dimension, also used for his calculations (mathematics with complex numbers, leading to the name 'Complex Relativity'). Electrons/eons are 'baked' in the first second of the big bang and since that time they participate actively in the evolution, as described in the starting points above.
Jean Charon thus explains how spirits can have feelings - via this electron model. Fascinating!
The author, Philipp Roser, notes that the Stern-Gerlach Experiment demonstrates how spin is actually from the Pilot Wave field, and not the particle.
Oh he presented his research as a video talk!
As we saw in Step 1, the nonlocal influences in the EPR-B experiment only concern the spin orientation not the motion of the particles themselves. Indeed only spins are entangled in the wave function (27) not positions and motions like in the initial EPR experiment. This is a key point in the search for a physical explanation of nonlocal influences.
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