https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01333876
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010008-3.pdf
Condon focused on "crackpot fringe" according to McDonald...
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005517742.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP75-00149R000500070006-7.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP75-00149R000500070005-8.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/1992-04-01A.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85S00362R000700180007-8.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85B00803R000100150057-6.pdf
Theodore M. Norbeck. February 24, 1983. Theodore Morgan Nordbeck, 70, who was employed by the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency for 23 ..
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005515813.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP82R00129R000100010034-2.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005515766.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78B05167A000600090005-5.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84-00022R000300070027-6.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-01601R000200090002-2.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP75-00149R000500070002-1.pdf
Its code name was ALSOS, and the scientific head of the mission was Samuel Goudsmit, an internationally well-respected Dutch-American physicist, who twenty
One team, sequestered in the New Mexican desert, hastened to assemble the atomic bombs that would shake the world later that summer. The other team, a group of Nazi-sponsored physicists and technicians in southern Germany, struggled to do something that, unbeknownst to them, the Allies had done two years earlier: build a critical, self-sustaining nuclear reactor.
Meanwhile, a different kind of team was running its own race against time. Convinced (erroneously) that the Germans were close to creating their own superweapon, the Allies sent an American unit of scientists, soldiers, and secret agents established by Lieutenant General Leslie R. Groves into Nazi Germany. Their orders: find the German scientific team before they could provide Hitler with atomic power. The scientific head of the mission: a Dutch-American physicist named Samuel A. Goudsmit. The mission code name: Alsos.
As his small entourage moved closer to the German research camp, Goudsmit revisited familiar people and places now changed forever by the war. The first Allied scientist to interrogate the captured physicists, Goudsmit heard first hand about life in a Nazi Germany in which they had lived and worked for over a decade. Most importantly, as the last person to review German nuclear research papers before military classification barred them from the public eye, Goudsmit was uniquely qualified to answer the most puzzling question: why, after their spectacular early successes, did German nuclear research efforts fall so miserably?
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Philip Strong, Deputy Assistant Director at OSI, wrote to Dr. Samuel Goudsmit at the Brookhaven laboratory on May 29. The purpose of his letter was to offer a heads-up. Strong said Howard P. Robertson, chair of the UFO study panel on which Goudsmit served over five years before, as well as panel member Lloyd Berkner had been “besieged” by Leon Davidson letters regarding their participation on the panel. To prepare Goudsmit for potentially similar treatment, Strong enclosed copies of pro forma correspondence to Davidson, including one that Robertson had put together. Strong suggested Goudsmit adopt the same tenor. Should the occasion arise, Strong added, Goudsmit should tell Davidson that the Air Force handled all such matters.31 (Similar letters were sent to panel members Thornton Page and Luis Alvarez.)
That same day, Strong wrote to Lloyd Berkner, one of the aggrieved parties. This was to extend Strong's remarks on Leon Davidson32—“Mr. Davidson has kept the pot boiling hard.. .”—and to enclose a copied letter from Dr. “Bob” Robertson to Davidson and suggested Berkner employ the same tone. Strong also enclosed copies of a Robertson-Davidson exchange (also sent to Alvarez, Goudsmit, and Page) in a call for a united front. “He is taking far too much of all our time and effort.”33
The next week, on June 4, Strong sent a letter to USAF Major Lawrence Tacker at SAFOI. Strong enclosed correspondence from Leon Davidson, who “continues to inquire about UFO's.” Strong also enclosed a copy of an OSI reply to Davidson informing him that his letter was forwarded to the Air Force for reply.34
Strong might as well have added the phrasing, this isn't funny anymore. The human cost in terms of expenditures of time devoted to this man's fanaticism were by now intolerable. Hours continued to be taken from other pressing demands, real problems arising around the world. This distraction was beyond annoying.
OSI's deputy assistant director wrote to Dr. Samuel Goudsmit again on August 19. With “Dear Sam” informality, Philip Strong thanked the Brookhaven physicist for his letter (not shown) criticizing newspaper editor Fred Kirsch on the UFO subject. Goudsmit's words were “exactly what is needed in present context.”39 On a separate matter, Strong told Goudsmit that all materials at hand on Robert Jungk had now been sent to him.
“I am sorry it took so long but my people apparently had difficulty prying the information loose.” A 1956 book Brighter than a Thousand Suns: A Personal History of the Atomic Scientists, by the Austrian visionary writer and journalist Robert Jungk, was translated into English in 1958. Jungk claimed a group of German atomic scientists, the “pacifists,” balked at building atomic bombs.
The CIA UFO Papers 
by Dan Wright
Genre: Other
Published: 2019
In autumn 2016 the CIA sent to its website (www.cia.gov/library/readingroom) a cache of electronic files previously released under the Freedom of Information Act but housed at the National Archives. Among a variety of subjects were “unidentified flying objects.” Finally, a stockpile of reports and correspondences were available for serious UFO researchers to examine at home.
This book consists of selections from those secret files. Dan Wright spent 18 months selecting, editing, and organizing the 550 files that are relevant to UFO research and has produced a chronological collection of CIA documents spanning 1949 to 2000.
Each chapter focuses on a particular year.
http://kirkmcd.princeton.edu/JEMcDonald/bib_jem.pdf
In 1967 the Office of Naval Research supported McDonald to conduct his own UFO research, ostensibly to study the idea that some UFOs were misidentified clouds. He was able to examine the files of Project Blue Book at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and eventually concluded that the Air Force was mishandling UFO evidence. McDonald secured support from United Nations Secretary General U Thant, who arranged for McDonald to speak to the UN's Outer Space Affairs Group on June 7, 1967. Additionally in 1967, McDonald noted, "There is no sensible alternative to the utterly shocking hypothesis that UFOs are extraterrestrial probes".[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._McDonald
Samuel Goudsmit, of course, used the transcripts to construct his version of the Allied Legend: "That the German scientists were at odds with one another, that they didn't understand
bomb physics, and that they concocted a false story
of moral scruples to explain their scientific failures.... The sources of Goudsmit's conclusions are all obvious in the transcripts, but what leaps
out at the reader now are the many statements which Goudsmit failed to notice, forgot, or deliberately overlooked." (Ibid., p. 436)
Samuel Goudsmit was at one point being considered as a member of the team that would attempt to kidnap or
assassinate Heisenberg.
If so ludicrous, then why inter them for months, secretly record their conversations and transcribe them, and then keep
them classified until the early 1990s? Clearly it would seem that something more is going on at Farm Hall that either
eludes commentators, or that they are simply ignoring. The conversations proceeds among the ten scientists, with one
concern (prior to the announcement of the a-bombing of Hiroshima) being how to continue with their "work", totally
oblivious to the fact that others had indeed carried on their "work" to brilliant conclusion. 4 Tyndall Air Force Base is becoming increasingly involved with the U.S. Space Force
Brig. General Philip G. Strong, who retired from the Marine Corps Reserve in 1964 and earlier had participated in the development of the U‐2 reconnaissance aircraft, died in Washington on Nov. 12. General Strong, who was buried in Arlington Cemetery with full military honors, was 71 years old.
He was an intelligence specialist for the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency. For two years during World War II, General Strong was chief intelligence officer for the commander of battleships in the Pacific.
He was commissioned in 1926, after attending Princeton University, and spent a year on active duty as a captain. In the Pacific area, his duties included supplying intelligence for the battleships in 10 major campaigns, 21 air‐sea actions and 2 major fleet battles.
Later he was assistant chief of staff in the Intelligence section at the San Diego Marine base. In 1946, General Strong went on active duty and became head of the intelligence acquisition and distribution division in the office of special assistant for intelligence to the Secretary of State.
General Strong was transferred to the C.I.A. in 1950 and held ‘senior positions until his retirement. While at the intelligence agency, he was involved in the innovative concepts of revolutionary reconnaissance vehicles, which led to the development of U‐2 spy planes.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/black-triangle-did-american-tr-3a-ufo-fight-gulf-war-207594
According to Aviation Week, the Air Force ultimately awarded Northrop a fixed-price research and development and demonstration/validation contract near the end of 1978 to build a prototype high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft based on their THAP design.
In 1991, America’s Black Triangle was seemingly revealed to the world in a series of articles published by Aviation Week and Popular Mechanics. According to Aviation Week, the stealthy aircraft was designed by Northrop – the same firm responsible for the black, triangular B-2 Spirit – in 1976 alongside Lockheed’s Have Blue efforts that would ultimately produce the F-117. Northrop called its stealthy triangular aircraft the Tactical High Altitude Penetrator (THAP).
The Horten H.IX, RLM designation Ho 229 (or Gotha Go 229 for extensive re-design work done by Gotha to prepare the aircraft for mass production) was a German prototype fighter/bomber designed by Reimar and Walter Horten to be built by Gothaer Waggonfabrik. Developed at a late stage of the Second World War, it was one of the earliest flying wing aircraft to be powered by jet engines.[1]
he nearly complete H.IX V3 prototype was captured by the American military and shipped to the United States under Operation Paperclip.
While the Alsos Mission initially sought information about the German nuclear program, it also identified key scientists and engineers who were later recruited through Operation Paperclip
He developed and conceptualized delta wing designs which functioned practically in supersonic delta wing fighter aircraft
Ever heard of Alexander Lippisch? He was an inventor and aeronautical engineer and might be one of the most significant people to have ever lived in Cedar Rapids.
Lippisch earned 50 patents and designed more than 50 aircraft. He's best known as the creator of the Delta Wing, a design concept many aircraft have incorporated, including the Concorde and the F-22 Raptor.
He designed the wingless Aerodyne plane that was a precursor to today's advanced drones and the first operational, rocket-propelled fighter jet - the Messerschmitt ME 163. Driven by the idea of delivering food to people in hard-to-reach places, he designed aerofoil boats that could hover and even fly.
Lippisch and a thousand other engineers and scientists were listed on documents hastily hidden in a Bonn University toilet and found by a Polish lab technician.The people on the list were identified by Hitler to be recalled from various posts in order to form a new research group to bolster resources for Germany's war efforts against Russia.
British intelligence gave the list to the United States, and it became the basis for Operation Paperclip, a secret intelligence program that brought Nazi scientists and engineers to the U.S. to gain their advanced knowledge in a number of fields.
The Lippisch DM-1 is a single-seat research glider that was designed and built in Germany from 1944.[1]During World War II, Dr. Alexander Lippisch proposed a ramjet propelled point defense fighter, the Lippisch P.12/13a. It was a sharply-swept delta flying wing with the engine buried in a thick, blunt-nosed wing. The pilot was accommodated in the forward section of the tail fin, which was as thick as the wings and almost as large. A scale model of the P.12/13a was successfully flown at Spitzerberg, near Vienna.[2][3]It has been suggested that the DM-1 influenced design of the Convair delta-wing jets, beginning with the XF-92A. Convair engineers are known to have examined the DM-1 and interviewed Lippisch. This has led historians to assume his technical influence, however there is no direct evidence to support this assumption.[6] On the contrary, Convair had independently discovered the thin delta wing, while the DM-1 had a thick wing and its aerodynamic behaviour is very different
He could design a perfect tailless glider which one has excellent flight characteristic without any engine but capable high subsonic flying with rocket engine too. His goal was the highest available subsonic speed because had few information of supersonic flight's physics. But according to some source, the test pilot Heini Dittmar could break the sound barrier with the Me 163V18 on 6 July 1944 while diving the rocket plane, and that several people on the ground heard the sonic booms. Komet was a marvelous plane and the only rocket propelled fighter of all time. An indisputable fact, Lippisch was a genius.
The B-35 was the brainchild of Jack Northrop, who made the flying wing the focus of his work during the 1930s. In 1941 before the USA entered World War II, Northrop and Consolidated Vultee Corporation had been commissioned to develop a large wing-only, long-range bomber designated XB-35 and XB-36. Northrop advocated a "flying wing" as a means of reducing parasitic drag and eliminating structural weight not directly responsible for producing lift.
Unlike conventional aircraft, truly "tailless" flying wings do not have a rudder for lateral control, so a set of clamshell-like, double split flaps (so-called flaperon, a portmanteau of flap and aileron) on the trailing edge of the wingtips were used.
In April 1945, George Patton’s Third Army found four Horten prototypes, the Ho 229s and a Horten glider. Of three Ho 229s, the V3 was nearest to completion, and was shipped to the United States for evaluation.[15] The Ho 229 spent a brief time at RAE Farnborough in the UK and during this time installing British jet engines was considered, but the mountings were incompatible with the larger diameter British turbojets.[19] It is uncertain if the aircraft's original Junkers engines were ever run, although the American evaluation team at one point intended to fly it.[15]
The Northrop TR-3A Black Manta is a speculative surveillance aircraft purported to belong to the United States Air Force and to have been developed under a black project. It was said to be a subsonic stealth spy plane with a flying wing design. It was alleged to have been used in the Gulf War to provide laser designation for Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk bombers, for targeting to use with laser-guided bombs (since the F-117 possesses a laser designator, the reason for both aircraft being utilized is unclear). There is little evidence to support the TR-3's existence; however, it is possible that black triangle UFO reports associated with Black Manta could be a technology demonstrator for a potential new-generation tactical reconnaissance aircraft, and/or that TR-3 refers to a Technical Refresh of an existing program.[22][23]
Northrop said he kept quiet for all these years because he feared the Pentagon would blackball his company if he disclosed the story. He said he even committed perjury before Congress to hide the facts.
Northrop's allegation shed new light on a generation-old controversy that has become one of the biggest mysteries in American aviation. But it also raised new questions that may never be answered.
In a precise unemotional tone, Northrop told his story to longtime aerospace reporter Clete Roberts in an interview on Los Angeles Public Television station KCET. Since that interview, taped in October, 1979, Northrop has suffered a series of strokes that have left him seriously ill and unable to speak.
The 14-month delay between the interview and its broadcast as part of the KCET documentary last week was due partly to delays in gathering additional material for the telecast and partly to a postponement request by Northrop.
General Reacts
At that point, Northrop recalled, Brig. Gen. Joseph T. McNarney, commander of the Air Materiel Command and subsequently president of Convair said, "Oh, Mr. Secretary, you don't mean that the way it sounds."
"You're . . .right I do," Symington answered, according to Northrop and Millar.
Northrop and Millar told KCET's Roberts that they then visited Floyd Odium, head of Atlas Corp., which controlled Convair, to discuss a possible merger. But talks soon ended, Northrop said, because Odlum's demands were "grossly unfair to Northrop
1) The Kertl Company helped build the Schauberger Repulsin discoid
test demonstrators in 1940 and photographic evidence exists of
Repulsin models A & B
2) Heinrich Focke had a 1939 German patent for his turboshaft driven
VTOL Fw Schnellflugzeug Rochen (mistakenly referred to as the Fw
VTOL)
3) Arthur Sack's AS-6V-1 circular a/c was approved by Udet and
constructed in 1944 using parts largely from a Me Bf 108 Taifun mated
to a Gottingen J1253 circular wing profile and witnessed by the Komet
pilots at Brandis- one even tried to fly it. Again, photographic
proof
as well- with specifications.
4) Declassified Allied intel reports from 1944 and 1945 identify the
Foo Fighter phenomenon over occupied Europe as PHOO Bombs of GERMAN
origin- that would include 3 types of craft: the AEG Kugelwaffen
sphericals, the WNF Feuerball ovoids, and Zeppelin Werke Kugelblitz
(which was also documented in a 1945 attack on a group of Liberators
to which the Allies accused Germany of using Firedamp artillery
shells). Similarly, the Foo Fighters were identified in the NY Times
and S Argus Herald in Dec 1944 and Jan 1945 as Nazi weapons.
5) Jim Wilson of Popular Mechanics obtained FOIA documents on the
German disc craft in 1995 with USAF admission that the Germans had
such craft during the war
6) Operation Bluebook (An official US Govt. Document) explains that
the only craft approaching the definition of UFOs of that time period
(1960s) were "certain developments in Germany at the close of WW2".
They are NOT referring to a Me-262 or any other jet technology which
cannot mimick a UFO performance in speed, agility, and impossible
feats that defy conventional physics.
7) There is also proof of hardware from the discs such as the proven
KT-P2 celestial navigation system recovered from Sandia Labs with the
Thule Sonnenrad logo manufactured by Siemens and AEG with
identification numbers and of the Coler gravitic free energy battery
of the British BIOS reports plus photographic proof of both.
So right here is 7 firm discs with patent, photographs, and official
US Govt. documents and admissions plus 2 components with
documentation, identification, and photographs.
You cannot dispute any of these.
Further circular winged VTOL craft include Muck's coleopter patent,
the Fw Triebflugel project, and the He Wespe & Lerche I & II
projects.
The problem with German disc a/c is the total lack of centralization
for the 30 projects and a total seperation from the RLM. The SS
Technical Branch and their support of both the Thule and Vril
Gesellschaften remain within the realm of Himmler's SS empire and not
subject to either the RLM nor Armaments Minister Speer who was
rebuked
by the SS over the "Flying Tops" as Speer recounts them in his book
"Infiltration". The Allies futher complicate the histories by
classifying them for 75 years along with a higher classification for
Kammler's most secret projects and "other" territories outside the
Reich with German elements that did not surrender in European Germany
in May 1945. That involves Argentina, Antarctica, and remote areas
like Tibet, not to mention the E European archives that were raided
by
the Soviets on their way to Berlin. Most of the occult discs and jet
disc fans were tested in Czechoslovakia, and Poland with only a small
number of discs actually tested in Germany, Italy, and Austria. So we
have all these nations involved in a massive cover-up: Germany,
Italy,
Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Russia, UK, US, and Argentina.
This, of course, does not even include the postwar continuation of
German disc technology by Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing, Repulic
Aviation, and NASA which means more classifications and
compartmentalization. Then there are all the records accumulated from
Wright Field- thousands of tons of classified German documents that
got passed about to a wide range of agencies and companies. Add intel
agencies like the OSS/CIA and the more modern NRO, NSA, DSA, and
DARPA
and there is no telling where all the German disc information is
scattered. The Germans themselves burned thousands of tons of their
own records and entire groups simply vanished off the face of the
earth in 1945 like Vril.
But curiously, right after the ban from 1945-55, former German
scientists and engineers applied for disc a/c and aerodyne patents
in
the US. They include Heinrich Focke, Heinrich Fleissner, Alexander
Lippisch, Hermann Klaas, Georg Klein, Henri Coanda, and Bruno
Schwentiet (for Richard Miethe and Rudolf Schriever). Funny, none of
these people worked with each other and were scattered in the Reich
during the war. then they were those that were coerced back to the US
and Avro Canada to work on discs postwar for various periods of time:
Richard Miethe, Viktor Schauberger, and the Hortens. None of them
could patent what they worked on since they were classified Govt.
projects. Again, none of these people worked with each other and yet
are all tied to disc development which had no military requirement
after the war at all.
That, by itself, should raise some alarms.
What is known is just the tip of a huge iceberg of Govt. deception
and
classified projects...
If people can't handle the truth, too bad. Someday sooner or later
the
discs will be revealed. Sixty-five years have passed... only 10 more
to
go for general German disc declassification (35 for Jonastal S.III).
Rob
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